This week with Marcus Paul I discussed Remembrance Day, the Queensland Government’s announcement the unvaccinated would be locked out of society and the climate debate.
Transcript
Malcolm Roberts, good morning, mate.
Good morning, Marcus, how are you?
Well, thank you. What does Armistice Day, or Remembrance Day, the 11th of the 11th mean for you?
It means we commemorate the fallen, and also the contribution they made to our country and to protect our freedoms.
Absolutely.
It also brings back an awareness and a responsibility that we have to preserve what they gave us, what they fought for, for us. And also, it reminds me, I can still remember, not long after I was sworn into the Senate, driving from the War Memorial in Canberra, and there’s a long avenue, I think it’s Commonwealth Avenue, I can’t remember.
Yes, I think it is, yeah. It’s beautiful there.
Yeah, and looking at–
It’s gorgeous.
Looking at Parliament House on the Capital and thinking, “Gee, I wonder if one day I’ll have to make a decision about sending people overseas in an armed conflict,” and that’s a weight on my shoulders. But then I was stunned to learn, as I took my position in the Senate, that we don’t have any say, and I’m thinking of, we don’t even have a review of a decision like that. And I’m thinking of Alexander Downer, the Foreign Minister, when he retired from politics. He said on TV, he said that he can still remember John Howard coming back from 9/11 in America, marching into the Cabinet and saying, “We’re off to Iraq.” I mean, you don’t make decisions like that. These are serious decisions, and we shouldn’t enter conflict just chasing someone else, following someone else, rather, into conflict, and not having an end game in mind. I mean, this is so disrespectful to the people who have died in the past and who will die in the future. I mean, it’s just irresponsible.
Yeah. All right. By the way, I’ve got somebody who wants to take you on, Malcolm. We’ll get to that at the end of our conversation. I’ll play some of the audio back. His name is Mark and he’s a regular listener. He’s like me, a bit of a lefty. In fact, I think he’s way more left. But anyway, I’ll get to that in a moment. Now let’s go through a couple of issues here. I want to talk about rapid antigen testing, which you’re in support of, but the Queensland government, or up there in your neck of the woods, if you’re unvaccinated, forget it for 2022, effectively Anastasia Palaszczuk’s announcement just the other day, It mirrors similar to what they’re doing in Victoria, not here in New South Wales. The unvaxxed will be welcome in, I dunno, just under a month. But certainly, in Queensland, you always talk about a two-tiered society. It’s pretty obvious that’s where Anastasia Palaszczuk is headed.
That’s right. It’s all about control, Marcus. But there was a very serious development yesterday in Victoria, and this is where Queensland’s headed too. There was a raid on Dr Mark Hobart’s clinic, he’s a GP in Melbourne. And unidentified people just entered his clinic and wandered around. Can you imagine the arrogance of that? They then took files, patient files, which means that they broke the confidentiality, completely smashed the confidentiality between patient and doctor, which is a fundamental relationship that has been held sacrosanct for 3,000 years. So there’s no confidentiality or privacy of your records with a doctor now. People can just wander in. He then had the temerity, Dr Hobart, to ask for identification, and they reluctantly showed him identification. They did all this with no explanation of who they were, no identification–
Well, who was it?
It was somebody to do with an authorised officer from the Department of Health. Now I don’t know whether that’s State or Federal, because I watched Mark Hobart on, Mark is a wonderful person, very direct. He has got a very, very positive reputation amongst his patients in Melbourne. But they took what they wanted, no reason given. And they just marched out of the joint. And he said, “Hang on a minute.” And they said, “We’ll give you a list later.” So they walked out of the doctor’s surgery with confidential, private patient-doctor files. They took whatever they wanted, and they said, “We’ll give you a list later of what we’ve taken.” How does the doctor know that they’ve recorded things properly? How does he know they won’t deliberately leave things out? They also stole his appointment book. Just took it!
But why would they be targeting this man, this doctor?
I don’t know, but he’s been outspoken with his views on how we need to treat this COVID. So you’d have to ask about that.
So now we’re getting somewhere. So has he been on social media, or in the media, talking about what?
No, he’s been, I don’t think he’s had much work on social media at all, but he’s been known to give his views on a certain medication, Ivermectin, which is one of the World Health Organization’s
Well, that could be it.
hundred essential medicines. The developer was given the Nobel Prize in Medicine. I’ve used it. It’s phenomenal stuff. No side-effects. Mild side-effects on a very small proportion of people. Three point seven billion doses in over 60 years. And you know, this is rubbish.
I know that some doctors have come in for criticism for writing a number of what they call fake exemption certificates. He wasn’t providing exemptions for people, was he?
I don’t know. Maybe that’s got something to do, I don’t know, Marcus. But, you know, the thing is that a doctor-patient relationship… If someone goes to the doctor, you go to the doctor, your records are private and you don’t have people wandering in, no authorization, no identification, and just stealing stuff out of a doctor’s surgery. And then saying, “We’ll tell you what we’ve taken after we’ve had a look at it.”
All right.
This is wrong! This is happening in our country!
Well, I’ll follow up on that. I mean, we don’t, as you know, mate, have absconded and done the wrong thing, and putting the rest of the community at risk by not quarantining. You’re doing the right thing. Anyway, I understand the point. I understand the point. And look, it’s not the police’s fault, they’re acting on, obviously, the authority of the government. I don’t know.
I had another very interesting phone-call from a female as well, which turned into a Zoom conference. It was Parliament’s Respect and Safety Workshop on Safety and Respect in the Workplace, something like that, right. You know, because of what’s happened, and politics in this country, and certain parties, there’ve been abuses of people, even allegations of rape, in Parliament House, this kind of stuff.
Yeah, we know.
So I said, “Yeah, okay, I’ll sign up for training.” And I think all MPs are supposed to do it. And so I started the training. Lovely lady on the other end of the Zoom call. And she was just talking about the introduction of this training, and I said, “Look,” and it just came to me, I didn’t have it planned, it just came to me on the spot. I said, “Look, with due respect to you, you’re giving training,” and we’re about to embark on this training, “You’re giving this training on treating people with respect in the workplace, and the federal government is coercing people to get something in their bodies that they don’t want in there.” Marcus, I heard of a survey from a nurse the other day that said 40% of nurses have been injected reluctantly, under coercion, under threat of losing their job. These people are not happy about that. They’re very upset that this is happening, in this country. And I said to this lady, “Here we are, the federal government giving this training, which I think is good, but at the same time they’re injecting people against their will. That is a violation of the body, it’s just a complete violation.”
But it’s the health orders, Malcolm.
Exactly. This is rubbish, Marcus.
All right.
You can’t do that kind of stuff in this country.
Before we run out of time, you say although you have serious concerns about Australia’s Doherty Institute that’s been advising government on the virus, you note that it has recommended rapid antigen testing instead of quarantine for schoolkids. You say that this test-to-stay-at-school-approach to managing outbreaks is good and that it can improve the quality of life and learning for our children, and you would also like it to be part of our back-to-work protocol across the country.
Yes. I’m still open on the rapid antigen testing. I don’t know whether it’s good or bad. I’m not a medical expert. But it looks like an alternative that’ll enable people to not get an injection if they don’t want it, because there are serious consequences of this injection already appearing right across the world. And so it’s another alternative to give governments a way of saying, “Okay, we understand that this is serious, so we can test people.” Taiwan has had by far the most spectacular success in managing this virus, because it’s actually managed the virus, rather than the virus controlling us, which is what’s happening here. And they do testing at the workplace. And it’s a simple test. We did it in Parliament House last time I was down there. When you walk into your job, you get tested temperature, just hold up one of those infrared, or whatever it is, guns to your forehead. And someone else does it, and they say, “Okay, your temperature’s either cool, or it’s normal, away you go.” If you’re warm over here, you get COVID tested. That’s what’s happening in Taiwan. Taiwan has a similar population to us, 24 million, we’ve got 25. They’re crammed in a tiny island that’s half the size of Tasmania, so they’ve got much higher transmission opportunities for the virus to spread. They got the virus into their country from mainland China. They have a huge interaction with people crossing over those two countries. They got the virus earlier than we did. They get it more heavily, in terms of the risk there. And yet in the first 12 months, when we had over 900 deaths, and we had lockdowns, severe lockdowns, Taiwan had no lockdowns and had seven deaths. Not 700. Seven.
Seven, all right.
And, you know, this is what’s going on in this country. We’re just absurd. It’s complete… I was on a show last night on Facebook, and livestreamed from someone in Canberra managing it. Lovely bloke. Three cops on there. I have never been so impressed with these three people. These three people have all either left or are protesting the police force in their state, Victoria, New South Wales, Queensland. These men were stunning individuals. Strong, well-spoken, quite clear in what they’re doing. And these people are protesting against what’s going on in the police forces. We’re turning into a police state, Marcus.
Before I let you go, have a listen to this. This is one of my regulars, Mark.
I wonder if you worked out that trees make oxygen and that they absorb carbon dioxide and put it back into the soil. Duh!
Are you telling me that you’ll, on this programme, will debate Malcolm Roberts?
Yep. On air.
On air? Beautiful. All right, Malcolm, Mark wants to take you on this time next week.
Oh, sure. Happy.
Happy to?
Yeah, I’d love to. But, Marcus, tell Mark that there is one decider of science. It’s well-known. And this is what the beauty of science is. It’s brought this to the world. It’s developed freedom. The scientific method has developed freedom.
Yep. Quickly.
He needs to be able to tell me where the specific location, the page number, the document title, the authors’ names, where the evidence is, that carbon dioxide from human activity affects climate and needs to be cut.
Well I don’t think it’s just climate change–
He needs to be able to tell me where it’s quantified.
he wants to talk about. There’ll be other issues. But let’s do it. Let’s lock it in next Thursday.
Love to.
I’ve gotta go, mate, ’cause the news is approaching.
See you, mate. We’ll talk to you again next week for the great debate. Malcolm Roberts v Mark, don’t miss it. QSM Traffic.
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