The Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) and the government claim that atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are impacting the Earth’s climate above and beyond natural variation. The climate activists’ solution to that perceived problem is to drastically reduce the use of gas, petrol, coal, oil, diesel and the grazing of cattle, sheep and pigs.
Given that BOM claims carbon dioxide from human activity in Australia is contributing to a global situation in such a way that we must cease these activities, I asked the Bureau to provide me, on notice, with the total number of BOM weather stations such data is collected from.
Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels over the short term have continued to rise, even during the global financial crisis of 2009 and in 2020 during COVID lockdowns. In fact, real-world empirical evidence proves drastic cuts in human carbon output have no effect on atmospheric carbon levels.
I have put several questions on notice with Dr Andrew Johnson, Director of BOM, and look forward to receiving his responses.
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Senator ROBERTS: Thank you again for being here again. You and the government claim that atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are detrimentally affecting climate and that, as a consequence, carbon dioxide from human activity needs to be cut, necessitating cuts in the use of gas, petrol, coal, oil, diesel and farm grazing of cattle, sheep and pigs. Given what you claim about carbon dioxide from human activity, could you please provide me, on notice, with the total number of bureau weather stations from which weather data is collected for the bureau to use, both those that the bureau operates and those that other individuals or entities operate, and, of them, the number that measure atmospheric carbon dioxide levels?
Dr Johnson: Okay. I can probably answer that now.
Senator ROBERTS: Sure.
Dr Johnson: The CO2 levels for our region are measured at Kennaook/Cape Grim, north-west Tasmania. That’s one of three, I think, global baseline CO2 measuring stations. That’s where those stations measure. There
are many, many, many pieces of equipment in the field that measure local CO2 emissions for all sorts of reasons, but in terms of the global baseline station, that is at Cape Grim—Kennaook.
Senator ROBERTS: I want to know how many stations you have, how many your colleagues—
Dr Johnson: We’ll take it on notice.
Senator ROBERTS: And how many measure carbon dioxide levels.
Dr Johnson: Yes.
Senator ROBERTS: And could you provide the locations of any other entities’ stations that are measuring carbon dioxide levels whose data the bureau relies upon for its climate reports and claims, both within Australia
and overseas? You’ve already mentioned three.
Dr Johnson: Yes.
Senator ROBERTS: That won’t be a problem. Now, if you look at the document I’ve tabled—
Dr Johnson: I’m sorry, I’m not in receipt of it—I’m now in receipt.
Chair: You may want to talk to it.
Senator ROBERTS: Yes. These are graphs from—the source data is Scripps institute and CSIRO. These are atmospheric carbon dioxide levels measured at those 10 points around the world. Now, it’s claimed that we need to cut the level of carbon dioxide in the earth’s atmosphere, and to do that we must cut carbon dioxide from human activity, correct? That’s what the claim is.
Dr Johnson: Senator, I’m not in a position to pass an opinion on that. Direct that to the department. All I can tell you is that, from our measurements of the changes that are occurring in the atmosphere, it couldn’t be clearer, in terms of the trends we’re observing, and our science—
Senator ROBERTS: I want to ask you about those trends.
Dr Johnson: And our science is very clear that the causes of those trends, to a very large extent, are human activities.
Senator ROBERTS: You claim that cutting human production of carbon dioxide will cut atmospheric carbon dioxide levels.
Dr Johnson: No. Just to reaffirm, it’s not our role to do that. Our role is to measure the atmospheric, oceanographic and, in some cases, terrestrial phenomena. We’ve never made such claims. All we’ve said is—
Senator ROBERTS: So you don’t—
Dr Johnson: that all of these parameters are rising and that the cause of that increase, to a very large extent—a predominant extent—is human activity. That’s all we’ve said.
Senator ROBERTS: So carbon dioxide from human activity is causing a rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide.
Dr Johnson: And other emissions—methane and so on—are causing the escalation in oceanic and atmospheric temperatures.
Senator ROBERTS: In 2009, after the global financial crisis, and in 2020, during the COVID lockdowns, we experienced severe global recessions. During those recessions, energy use fell dramatically and the use of
hydrocarbon fuels like coal, oil and natural gas for transport, residences and industry was cut severely, leading to dramatic reductions of carbon dioxide from human activity. Yet, despite those cuts in human carbon dioxide production, atmospheric carbon dioxide levels continued to rise.
Dr Johnson: Correct.
Senator ROBERTS: All the Scripps and CSIRO measurement stations reveal no decrease or downward inflection, just continued rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. This real-world empirical evidence proves
that drastic cuts in carbon dioxide from human activity have no effect on atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. Making the drastic cuts is pointless and is damaging economically and socially. On notice, could you please
specify the dates, quantity and duration of any inflections or downturns on those graphs?
Dr Johnson: I’m happy to, Senator. But, very quickly—with the chair’s indulgence—the premise of your question is false. It is a well-established fact that the consequences of human activity have long lag periods
between when they occur and when they’re observed in the atmosphere. So, even if CO2 emissions were to stop today, the atmosphere is loaded, as is the ocean, and it will take centuries for that signature to work its way through; hence the urgency around the challenge to reduce emissions now.
Senator ROBERTS: How well is carbon dioxide mixed in the atmosphere?
Dr Johnson: How well is it mixed?
Senator ROBERTS: How well mixed is it?
Dr Johnson: I’m not an expert on carbon dioxide atmospheric mixing.
Senator ROBERTS: How does it vary temporally, spatially and with regard to surface cover—for example, vegetation type?
Dr Johnson: I’d have to take that on notice. I’m not in expert in those matters.
Senator ROBERTS: Could you take the next question on notice as well. Given that the atmospheric carbon dioxide levels over—
Senator Whish-Wilson: Could you just put them on notice now? Could it go to us, because people are waiting?
Senator ROBERTS: I want to get this to make sure I’ve got the question right for Dr Johnson. I’ll put the other two on notice after this. Given that the atmospheric carbon dioxide levels over the short term and without
spatial and temporal context have increased substantially, what impact has this had on global and national atmospheric temperatures? Specifically, what is the rate of temperature increase over the period 1995 to today?
Dr Johnson: Again, you’re asking me a specific question on a specific set of dates. I don’t have that number with me.
Senator ROBERTS: No, on notice. I’m happy for you to do that on notice.
Dr Johnson: If we have that data, I’ll provide it, sure.
Senator ROBERTS: I’m sure you’ve got the temperature data. Could you please specify in your answer the statistical methods and procedures, as well as the data periods and sources of data. Could you please use the
global and national atmospheric temperature data from the following sources: from the Bureau of Meteorology, obviously, atmospheric temperature data for Australia and the world—
Chair: Senator Roberts, you can log them in writing, if you would like. And, if you’re asking for an answer, you probably shouldn’t specify where they get the data from. It would be entirely up to them if you’re asking-
Senator ROBERTS: No, I’m not specifying the data. I just want some alternatives because there’s variation between—
Chair: But I will speed you up, Senator Roberts.
Senator ROBERTS: I’m happy to put them on notice.
Chair: That would be lovely.
Senator ROBERTS: I’ll also be asking you for NASA’s University of Alabama, Huntsville, and RSS data.
Dr Johnson: You’d probably best direct your questions about NASA data to NASA.
Senator ROBERTS: Okay.