People want the Truth! One Nation having been speaking truth for decades.
I spoke with Damian Coory from The Other Side podcast on why One Nation is Australia’s true opposition party.
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Transcript
Host – Damian Coory: The latest news poll by The Australian newspaper shows that what we predicted on this show for some time now in terms of what would happen to the mainstream conservative parties in this country, the Liberals and the Nationals, is in fact happening. Instead of the Coalition’s push to the left flank and Susan Ley’s insistence on a modern approach helping them pick up voters and pick up young people, it’s had the complete opposite effect. The Coalition parties have seen men running a mile and younger Aussies abandoning the party in droves. It’s worst in the eastern states. Only 25% of voters in NSW now support the Coalition. Remember, at the end of last year, Peter Dutton’s conservative, strong approach had the Coalition on 40% primary vote and rising on track for victory. The party’s weaklings on the left moved in and asked for the message to be toned down to save unwinnable inner city seats that had fundamentally changed forever anyway, and with muddled messages and bad campaign leadership, Dutton looked weak, inconsistent, rudderless and as a result he of course lost. Blind Freddie could have seen it coming. There’s no gender gap in who likes the Coalition either. They’re equally disliked by both genders. It’s 29% of men and 29% of women who say they’ll vote for them. Joining me now to discuss all this is long time One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts. Malcolm, thank you for coming in and joining us on The Other Side.
Malcolm Roberts: Thank you for having me, Damian.
Damian Coory: So all this bad news for the Coalition, It’s been somewhat good news for One Nation. The Australian reports that One Nation’s increased its primary vote since the federal election from 6.4 to 9%. That’s a almost a 50% jump. In NSW you’re on 10%. Other conservative and libertarian leaning parties and independents have also seen their primary votes jump as well. I think in NSW the collective is 20% now, which is almost at the level that the Coalition is at. I mean, interesting times for you.
Malcolm Roberts: Very interesting and really satisfying. There’s a global move, there’s a national move, there’s a conservative move and there’s a One Nation move. They’re all need to be factored in. Actually, some of the polls we’ve seen have actually been higher than the numbers you’ve quoted, Damian.
Damian Coory: OK.
Malcolm Roberts: Which is marvellous. NSW, for example, I think One Nation is at 16%. But internationally people are tired of the fake conservatives – the Tories, the Republicans or the those – well the Republicans are a bit different because the party has quite a bit of variety across it, same as the Democrats. Some of the Democrats will vote with Trump, you know, so that’s understandable. But Trump is not really a Republican, he’s not really a Democrat. He’s an independent and they have to be registered as a party, in one of the two parties to get in. So he’s there. Nigel Farage is there in Britain, Pauline Hanson’s been here for a long time. So that’s the first thing. Globally, people are saying we’ve had enough. We’ve had a gutful of the lies from the from the pseudo conservatives. We want the real conservatives.
Damian Coory: I think people can see through the fakeness too.
Malcolm Roberts: Absolutely.
Damian Coory: The lack of authenticity. One of the things that supporters, non supporters of Trump said initially was, you know, I don’t agree with Donald Trump, but I like the fact that I know where he stands and what he stands for and he seems authentic, and I can believe when he says something, he pretty much means it. Even if he’s a bit fast and loose on the factual side of the truth, they know that he’s genuinely coming from a place of consistency. And you know what you’re buying? You know what …
Malcolm Roberts: Exactly. Exactly Damian. I’ve got more grey hair than you have by a long way, so I’m aware of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. I was in my early 30s in Ronald Reagan – no, no, late 20s-mid 20s in fact was Reagan and Reagan and Thatcher, and I’ll always remember comments from more than one person, former Brits who’ve moved out here and they used to vote Labour in Britain. And they told me that they voted Labour until Thatcher came along. They said she – they didn’t like all her policies, but you knew where you stood. And it’s the uncertainty removed. So, the global trend, the trend within the country because of what you said with the fake Liberals, I think what happens when you get conservative, whether it be Abbott or Dutton, is that the wets in the Liberals undermine him. It makes it very, very hard. So I don’t put the blame with Dutton, I put to blame with – well, he should have called them out, but anyway, with the party itself. And the third thing is that Pauline’s been around almost 30 years, 29 years and people have seen her – what she said back in 1996 is coming true. Everything she said and she’s been so consistent. They tried to jail her.
Damian Coory: They did jail her.
Malcolm Roberts: That’s right.
Damian Coory: She actually served a couple of months or something.
Malcolm Roberts: She got out on appeal. They infiltrated her party, destroyed her party, destroyed it from within. That’s Labor and Liberal. They also called her racist and other labels which are completely false.
I mean you’re not one nation because you have division. You’re One Nation because you believe everyone has the same entitlements. So she’s far from racist, but what they did was they called her racist in the hope that people would not vote for. And that worked for a while, but now people are saying she’s not racist. They realise that and they’re saying I want someone who’s truthful and accurate. And so they’re moving to Pauline because of that. And also quite frankly, our policies, and I mean this sincerely, are the best I’ve ever seen of any political party in this country. They’re comprehensive, holistic and they’re targeted.
Damian Coory: Now the News poll analysis reveals that particularly male voters seem to be moving away from the Coalition under Susan Ley and if, you know, if Peter Dutton and Scomo had a women problem, then Susan Ley’s got a men problem. Not that you care that much about that though, but anyway, the gains that you’ve made though, as opposed to the gains of other independent and minor right parties, they seem to have picked up men, but you’ve got gains from both genders. You’re doing something right in terms of appealing to women as well. How do you read that?
Malcolm Roberts: Well, it’s not because we’ve got a female party leader, it’s because what we say – we go out and listen, and I mean really listen. The Coalition and the Labor Party pretend to listen, but people know they’re not listening. They can’t listen because they’ve already got their policies stitched up and the policies are almost identical between Labor and Liberal. And we’ve been calling them the UNI Party because that’s what they are. Pauline is the only opposition to the UNI party and people can see that. So that’s something. But with regard to men, it’s older people, younger people. Older people are probably saying my grandkids have got no chance of getting a house. The younger kids are saying, in their 20s, are saying where do we get a house? How do I get a house? How do I even rent a house? How do I find a house? How do I rent it? How do I have children without the house?
Damian Coory: And women are concerned about the future of these young people, obviously. So, moving from gender to age breakdowns, if we look at those, the Liberal and National Party votes have fallen the most among older voters, which is surprising. It’s very grim, though, among people aged 18 to 34. So, I think in March, it was 28% of that group, that age group, and now it’s only 18% – six months later.
Malcolm Roberts: Less than a fifth.
Damian Coory: Yeah, it’s incredible.
Malcolm Roberts: Yeah. These policies are appealing to everyone right across the board, all ages. But they understand the energy problem has been manufactured and what do the Liberals do? Instead of – and I talked with Tony Abbott, I talked with John Howard, I talked with Corey Bernardi when he was a Liberal. And other people are saying why the hell don’t you just tell the truth? We know you’re a sceptic. Why don’t you come out and just say it? They can’t mount the argument. Whereas we’ve come out and said climate change is a scam – it’s rubbish and demolished it, and now it’s coming true.
Damian Coory: Well, I think they let the other side set the agenda and then they follow …
Malcolm Roberts: Got it.
Damian Coory: in a frightened way. They’re not leading. And if you don’t lead, if you don’t have a strong position, then you can’t really get people to follow you. And I think this sort of fear of trying, or trying to play the middle all the time on issues where, you know, maybe there’s not a middle and people need an alternative. Strongly put.
Malcolm Roberts: People want the truth and we have been calling out the truth forever – since I’ve been in politics, and Pauline, ever since she’s been in politics. When we’re very – we’re not afraid to say the truth and what we do is – Pauline’s insisting on this and I’ve always insisted on it because in my past people’s lives depended upon me getting the data. So we get the data and then we open our gobs.
Damian Coory: Another thing that’s interesting too is your share of people aged over 65, which has doubled from 5 to 11%. So you’re doing very well with the the older demographic and people say “oh, well, they’ll be dead soon” forgetting the fact that of course more people come into that demographic that demographic doesn’t go away. The people in it change, but the demographic doesn’t go away. And so it’s important, I mean this is an important part of our community. These are the elders. These are what we used to think are the wise ones and that we shut up and listen to. We don’t do that so much anymore. We listen too much to the young. But isn’t that a – is that a sign that people are maturing into One Nation, I guess or maturing into more conservative ideas still as they get older?
Malcolm Roberts: Yes. And that’s always been the case. We’ve been particularly high amongst the aged people over 60 / 65 for quite a while. But what we’re seeing now is grandparents coming to us and saying, my kids, my grandchildren cannot get a house, cannot get a future. They’re paying ridiculous energy prices for this scam on climate change. Property rights are being stolen. They’re concerned. Retired people have more time on their hands and they do the research and older people, you know, I’m a grandparent now, we’ve got one grandson, but I don’t mean this in a negative way, but I’ve got more time, more interest, more focus on my grandson than on my own children – when at the same age.
Damian Coory: You’ve got more time.
Malcolm Roberts: So I’m very concerned about his future. And then that applies – that’s what grandparents are telling us. Where do their grandkids get a house?
Damian Coory: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it’s funny because I often think doing this show and I know you, in politics is like – we swim in a sea of left wing assumptions, right?
Malcolm Roberts: We don’t.
Damian Coory: Personally we don’t, but I mean the country does. And we think that just because these people have got the microphones and the television cameras and you know, that they control what people think and they have a great influence over it. There’s no question of it. But ultimately, I think people do – are waking up. I think we are seeing a shift. I think it’ll be like America where that shift comes politically before it comes through the media or you know, but I think there’s something being missed by our talking classes, our chattering classes in relation to what is really going on with the grassroots level and what people really care about. Right?
Malcolm Roberts: You’re absolutely right. I’ve agreed with everything you’ve said so far. The chattering classes – they’re a manifestation of the left. They’re a vehicle for the left. I don’t like calling them left and right because the terms are confusing.
Damian Coory: Yeah, it’s simplistic – have to have some way of …
Malcolm Roberts: I use the terms control versus freedom. And the right is usually free and the left is usually control. All of the major control freaks throughout human history, well with very few exceptions, have been lefties – have been have been controlled side of politics, communist, socialist. That’s you look at Stalin, Mao, Hitler. Hitler was a was a lefty, he was a socialist. So they’ve mostly, all of them come, have come from the left side of politics, the control side of politics. And, and they weave a very attractive tale because it’s emotionally based, It’s not factually based. And what they do is they create victims, they set up victims, whether it be transgenders or whatever. And then they appeal to those victims. And what they do is essentially cripple those people. Damian, those people are made to be victims. And they’re in victimhood. That means they’re dependent on the government. And I don’t mean just financially, I mean morally and in their own, in their own psyche. So it’s really very crippling what they do.
Damian Coory: They want to create a welfare state.
Malcolm Roberts: Exactly.
Damian Coory: They want the dependency on government.
Malcolm Roberts: Exactly. Exactly.
Damian Coory: Control people.
Malcolm Roberts: Yeah. And in my first speech in parliament in 2016, September, I- we’re not supposed to in our first speech, criticise people, not not directly anyway. So I didn’t, I refrained. But I looked across at the Greens when I said part of the agenda in parliament is anti human. And I looked specifically at the Greens and then my second speech, I labelled them as anti humans. So the lefties are very much anti human. If you look at Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Maurice Strong lefties, all of them lefties and they’re anti human.
Damian Coory: Malcolm, just I want to ask you, what is One Nation’s plan to build on this momentum? I mean, you’ve got this great sort of turn around happening now. Could this be the moment that we- because a lot of people keep asking me, “when are we going to see a great party emerge that’s going to dominate the the conservative side of politics in Australia?”
Malcolm Roberts: How do we keep the momentum? We keep doing what we’re what we are doing. We go ahead and listen and then we speak accurately as representatives of the people. That’s our basic job, to serve the people by putting in place policies and actions that meet people’s needs. But above all, listen to people so we can understand their needs. That’s the first thing. The second thing is keep telling the truth. We’re known to be outspoken, but factually correct and data-based. So we’ll keep doing that and keep developing good policies. Our policies are resonating with people of all ages.
Damian Coory: I think that’s a very important point. You know, keep it fact based, keep it as truthful as you can. At least you know, you’re putting a consistent message out, consistent story out and people can see it and they can trust you more than any other comment I get, and you probably hear it too, is, you know, “why don’t the minor right leaning parties all join?” You know, why don’t they all join?
Malcolm Roberts: There are there are subtle differences sometimes mark differences between the between us and the micro-parties. So that’s one thing. And in democracy you keep people, you keep parties, ideologies, positions alive. You don’t try to bury them.
Malcolm Roberts: So
Damian Coory: it doesn’t hurt to have a bit of variety. We’ve got that preferential voting system. So that helps because people can, you know, use it to kind of vote in the order
Malcolm Roberts: Exactly. And so the way to work together, and we’ve said this for for years now, is to recommend that our voters who vote for us vote, vote for the other the micro-parties 2, 3, 4, put them ahead of them, the conservatives, the fake conservatives, the Liberal/Nationals and the Labor Party. So that’s the same. That’s one way of doing it. But the other thing it’s very important to remember is we reached out to all the micro-parties and they all said, “yeah, yeah, that’d be great preference, you know, give- recommend our party be preferenced.” “Yeah, yeah, yeah.” Where did they put us? Rennick put us 6. In the seat of Rankin he put us behind the- behind the- No! behind the Labor Party.
Damian Coory: Oh, OK. That’s not-
Malcolm Roberts: And on the Senate, he put us #6. We put him #2 same with the other micro-parties. And the reason is, and we said this before the election, Damien, that we were the only party that was capable of getting a senator elected in every state. And we came, we got three states senators elected. We came very close in each of the other three, two incredibly close. And so-
Damian Coory: Instead it might not know who watched this show. There’s that in Queensland. The Senate race was very tight for the last spot between you and Gerard Rennick.
Malcolm Roberts: Well, it ended up not being tight at all. We didn’t even rely on his preferences-
Damian Coory: Right. So you you cleanly won.
Malcolm Roberts: And he merged with Katter’s. So when you look at his personal vote, it was very small as a party. But the other thing to remember is that it’s just-
Damian Coory: That division is not helpful, though. I think a lot of people would say, you know, that we’d like to see you and Gerard working together. But, you know, we understand that people have different views in politics. Obviously, your decision to put him second is a signal that you stand by your values, that it’s not about the political game in the end.
Malcolm Roberts: Correct
Damian Coory: Right. And I guess that’s where, you know, he’s probably going to consider where he where he stands. And I’ll give him the opportunity to come on and talk to that again sometime, I guess. But yeah, no, I get it. It’s tough. And well-
Malcolm Roberts: He also told some lies about One Nation, and kept them going even though I pointed them out and he motioned that he agreed that they were lies, that he kept them alive. So Pauline doesn’t do that. I don’t do that. We tell the truth and that that’s what we’re famous for.
Damian Coory: OK, well, good. Keep it up. That’s we need more truth in politics. There’s no, no question about that. I want to just play a clip of Donald Trump speaking at the- we haven’t talked much about the issues, but I do want to discuss quickly with you immigration. We’ve got time to do that.
Malcolm Roberts: Sure.
Damian Coory: I’d like to play this clip of Donald Trump’s speech to the General Assembly of the United Nations.
Malcolm Roberts: Oh, fantastic.
Damian Coory: Yeah. In which he said- well, he was talking about the question of of immigration and open borders and where the United Nations is sort of- or the ideas of the United Nations permeating through national governments are sort of led us. So let’s have a listen to that one, John.
Video – Donald Trump: “The UN is supposed to stop invasions, not create them and not finance them. In the United States, we reject the idea that mass numbers of people from foreign lands can be permitted to travel halfway around the world, trample our borders, violate our sovereignty, cause unmitigated crime and deplete our social safety net. We have reasserted that America belongs to the American people and I encourage all countries to take their own stand in defence of their citizens as well. You have to do that because I see it. I’m not mentioning names, I see it and I can call every single one of them out. You’re destroying your countries, they’re being destroyed. Europe is in serious trouble. They’ve been invaded by a force of illegal aliens like nobody’s ever seen before. Illegal aliens are pouring into Europe. Nobody has ever- And nobody’s doing anything to change it to get them out. It’s not sustainable. And because they choose to be politically correct, they’re doing just absolutely nothing about it. And I have to say, I look at London where you have a terrible mayor, terrible, terrible mayor. And it’s been so changed. So changed.”
Damian Coory: Yeah, this- the idea that anybody talking about immigration is a racist or anybody suggesting that, you know, that’s got to shift it’s. And he says there, you know, we’ve got serious social problems emerging in places like London now that anybody can see, that are the result of trying of too fast, too much immigration and trying to ram cultures together that don’t really coalesce, right.
Malcolm Roberts: Yes, there are a number of problems with mass migration. I’m a migrant. I was born in India, OK? My mother was in North Queensland and my dad was Welsh, so he’s a migrant as well. So we’ve got nothing against migrants. Migrants have built this country literally, especially in the early days. But we’ve used to have standards on who could come in. Now we don’t have those standards. We’re letting terrorists in and we’re condoning them, keeping them here even when they break the law. So #1 is the problem is mass migration. He called it an invasion. And so it is. And it’s a deliberate invasion and it’s orchestrated by the UN and the World World Economic Forum. So that’s the first one. That’s-
Damian Coory: I think that sounds like a “wacky conspiracy theory”, Malcolm. But the World Economic Forum is real. It’s a global think tank if you like, or meeting every year of the top 1500 corporate leaders and the top 1500 government leaders from around the world. They meet in Davos every year. They have other meetings, but that’s the main one, and agendas are set.
Malcolm Roberts: Yes, correct
Damian Coory: Stuff is directly- it might not be, you know, Klaus Schwab in his little room with his hat. Well, it could be, but I hope it’s not. But it’s certainly a subtle, you know, there’s a subtle message that’s sent out about, you know, like the United Nations. And the reason we criticise the United Nations is because they’ve strayed from what they’re supposed to be about into this territory of, you know the sustainability goals, which are quite left wing when you look at them, right? They shouldn’t be doing that stuff. And the WEF does the same thing. “Here’s some guidelines, you might want to follow. Ooh, here’s some capital to follow those guidelines.”
Malcolm Roberts: There are two things to remember about the UN. It was created to be a vehicle for transferring wealth from we the people around the world to the globalist billionaires and the globalist corporations. BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, First State, they’re interconnected. So that’s the first thing. And that’s been stated by many, many senior UN bureaucrats, particularly Maurice Strong. The second thing about the UN is that it’s a vehicle to put in place an unelected socialist global governance. Now, we haven’t got time to unpack that, but I can unpack that, I’ve unpacked that in writing many times. Their model for unelected socialist global governance, they’ve stated is the EU, which is a unicameral parliament where the bureaucrats do the dictating and the rest of it, the parliament, is the façade.
Damian Coory: They’re not elected. Yeah.
Malcolm Roberts: So these are actually what’s going on. The second thing is that it’s destroying our culture, mass migration, and that’s deliberate because then, when individuals- basically there are two ways of structuring, just two basic structures for society, human society, family and nation-state, and both are being destroyed deliberately by the United Nations. These are campaigns, their social, their sustainable development goals, SDG’s are just ways of getting parliaments and, and unfortunately our parliament is complying with it, passing legislation to put in place those controls. The third thing is it’s the quality of the people coming in. We used to have migrants coming into this country who immediately went to work and improved our productive capacity. We’ve got grifters coming in, terrorists coming in. We’ve got people coming in who are saying that they want to kill us. I mean, what the hell are we doing!?
Damian Coory: Yeah, its crazy.
Malcolm Roberts: And the fourth thing is multiculturalism. The the strongest nations in the world are not multicultural. They’re monoculture. They tolerate other religions, they tolerate other races, they tolerate other nationalities. But above all, they’re proud of themselves. Taiwan, Japan, Korea, South Korea, China, Singapore, United States. People said in the early days, Bob Hawke did it and especially John Howard. “America is multicultural.” Rubbish. America above all, in America you are American. You’re very proud of your Polish ancestry, your Asian ancestry, your Indian ancestry, but you put them to the side because number one, you’re American. This is- what we’re doing is having our culture and our cohesion destroyed in front of our eyes. And it is deliberate because that way the nation-state falls into the background. Borders being smashed in Europe and the strong leaders like Orbán and Hungary and then the new president in Poland and others are saying :”no, we’re closed, our borders.” And that’s what we’ve got to do. We’ve got- and we’ve got to send home around 100,000 people here illegally. 100,000, and that’s just the start. We need to get into remigration, send people back to where they came from.
Damian Coory: All right, Malcolm Roberts, thank you very much.
Malcolm Roberts: Unless they’re productive.
Damian Coory: Unless they’re productive. Yeah, well, that’s a reasonable ask. Productive and peaceful and, you know, willing to integrate and assimilate to a certain extent with Australian culture. Yeah. It didn’t come out of nowhere. All right, Malcolm, thanks so much for your time. I’d love to have you back on the show and talk more. Senator Malcolm Roberts there from One Nation in QLD.
Malcolm Roberts: You’re welcome, thank you.
