The Other Side Podcast

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People want the Truth! One Nation having been speaking truth for decades.

I spoke with Damian Coory from The Other Side podcast on why One Nation is Australia’s true opposition party.

Channel: youtube.com/@OtherSideAus

Transcript

Host – Damian Coory: The latest news poll by The Australian newspaper shows that what we predicted on this show for some time now in terms of what would happen to the mainstream conservative parties in this country, the Liberals and the Nationals, is in fact happening. Instead of the Coalition’s push to the left flank and Susan Ley’s insistence on a modern approach helping them pick up voters and pick up young people, it’s had the complete opposite effect. The Coalition parties have seen men running a mile and younger Aussies abandoning the party in droves. It’s worst in the eastern states. Only 25% of voters in NSW now support the Coalition. Remember, at the end of last year, Peter Dutton’s conservative, strong approach had the Coalition on 40% primary vote and rising on track for victory. The party’s weaklings on the left moved in and asked for the message to be toned down to save unwinnable inner city seats that had fundamentally changed forever anyway, and with muddled messages and bad campaign leadership, Dutton looked weak, inconsistent, rudderless and as a result he of course lost. Blind Freddie could have seen it coming. There’s no gender gap in who likes the Coalition either. They’re equally disliked by both genders. It’s 29% of men and 29% of women who say they’ll vote for them. Joining me now to discuss all this is long time One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts. Malcolm, thank you for coming in and joining us on The Other Side.

Malcolm Roberts: Thank you for having me, Damian.

Damian Coory: So all this bad news for the Coalition, It’s been somewhat good news for One Nation. The Australian reports that One Nation’s increased its primary vote since the federal election from 6.4 to 9%. That’s a almost a 50% jump. In NSW you’re on 10%. Other conservative and libertarian leaning parties and independents have also seen their primary votes jump as well. I think in NSW the collective is 20% now, which is almost at the level that the Coalition is at. I mean, interesting times for you.

Malcolm Roberts: Very interesting and really satisfying. There’s a global move, there’s a national move, there’s a conservative move and there’s a One Nation move. They’re all need to be factored in. Actually, some of the polls we’ve seen have actually been higher than the numbers you’ve quoted, Damian.

Damian Coory: OK.

Malcolm Roberts: Which is marvellous. NSW, for example, I think One Nation is at 16%. But internationally people are tired of the fake conservatives – the Tories, the Republicans or the those – well the Republicans are a bit different because the party has quite a bit of variety across it, same as the Democrats. Some of the Democrats will vote with Trump, you know, so that’s understandable. But Trump is not really a Republican, he’s not really a Democrat. He’s an independent and they have to be registered as a party, in one of the two parties to get in. So he’s there. Nigel Farage is there in Britain, Pauline Hanson’s been here for a long time. So that’s the first thing. Globally, people are saying we’ve had enough. We’ve had a gutful of the lies from the from the pseudo conservatives. We want the real conservatives.

Damian Coory: I think people can see through the fakeness too.

Malcolm Roberts: Absolutely.

Damian Coory: The lack of authenticity. One of the things that supporters, non supporters of Trump said initially was, you know, I don’t agree with Donald Trump, but I like the fact that I know where he stands and what he stands for and he seems authentic, and I can believe when he says something, he pretty much means it. Even if he’s a bit fast and loose on the factual side of the truth, they know that he’s genuinely coming from a place of consistency. And you know what you’re buying? You know what …

Malcolm Roberts: Exactly. Exactly Damian. I’ve got more grey hair than you have by a long way, so I’m aware of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. I was in my early 30s in Ronald Reagan – no, no, late 20s-mid 20s in fact was Reagan and Reagan and Thatcher, and I’ll always remember comments from more than one person, former Brits who’ve moved out here and they used to vote Labour in Britain. And they told me that they voted Labour until Thatcher came along. They said she – they didn’t like all her policies, but you knew where you stood. And it’s the uncertainty removed. So, the global trend, the trend within the country because of what you said with the fake Liberals, I think what happens when you get conservative, whether it be Abbott or Dutton, is that the wets in the Liberals undermine him. It makes it very, very hard. So I don’t put the blame with Dutton, I put to blame with – well, he should have called them out, but anyway, with the party itself. And the third thing is that Pauline’s been around almost 30 years, 29 years and people have seen her – what she said back in 1996 is coming true. Everything she said and she’s been so consistent. They tried to jail her.

Damian Coory: They did jail her.

Malcolm Roberts: That’s right.

Damian Coory: She actually served a couple of months or something.

Malcolm Roberts: She got out on appeal. They infiltrated her party, destroyed her party, destroyed it from within. That’s Labor and Liberal. They also called her racist and other labels which are completely false.
I mean you’re not one nation because you have division. You’re One Nation because you believe everyone has the same entitlements. So she’s far from racist, but what they did was they called her racist in the hope that people would not vote for. And that worked for a while, but now people are saying she’s not racist. They realise that and they’re saying I want someone who’s truthful and accurate. And so they’re moving to Pauline because of that. And also quite frankly, our policies, and I mean this sincerely, are the best I’ve ever seen of any political party in this country. They’re comprehensive, holistic and they’re targeted.

Damian Coory: Now the News poll analysis reveals that particularly male voters seem to be moving away from the Coalition under Susan Ley and if, you know, if Peter Dutton and Scomo had a women problem, then Susan Ley’s got a men problem. Not that you care that much about that though, but anyway, the gains that you’ve made though, as opposed to the gains of other independent and minor right parties, they seem to have picked up men, but you’ve got gains from both genders. You’re doing something right in terms of appealing to women as well. How do you read that?

Malcolm Roberts: Well, it’s not because we’ve got a female party leader, it’s because what we say – we go out and listen, and I mean really listen. The Coalition and the Labor Party pretend to listen, but people know they’re not listening. They can’t listen because they’ve already got their policies stitched up and the policies are almost identical between Labor and Liberal. And we’ve been calling them the UNI Party because that’s what they are. Pauline is the only opposition to the UNI party and people can see that. So that’s something. But with regard to men, it’s older people, younger people. Older people are probably saying my grandkids have got no chance of getting a house. The younger kids are saying, in their 20s, are saying where do we get a house? How do I get a house? How do I even rent a house? How do I find a house? How do I rent it? How do I have children without the house?

Damian Coory: And women are concerned about the future of these young people, obviously. So, moving from gender to age breakdowns, if we look at those, the Liberal and National Party votes have fallen the most among older voters, which is surprising. It’s very grim, though, among people aged 18 to 34. So, I think in March, it was 28% of that group, that age group, and now it’s only 18% – six months later.

Malcolm Roberts: Less than a fifth.

Damian Coory: Yeah, it’s incredible.

Malcolm Roberts: Yeah. These policies are appealing to everyone right across the board, all ages. But they understand the energy problem has been manufactured and what do the Liberals do? Instead of – and I talked with Tony Abbott, I talked with John Howard, I talked with Corey Bernardi when he was a Liberal. And other people are saying why the hell don’t you just tell the truth? We know you’re a sceptic. Why don’t you come out and just say it? They can’t mount the argument. Whereas we’ve come out and said climate change is a scam – it’s rubbish and demolished it, and now it’s coming true.

Damian Coory: Well, I think they let the other side set the agenda and then they follow …

Malcolm Roberts: Got it.

Damian Coory: in a frightened way. They’re not leading. And if you don’t lead, if you don’t have a strong position, then you can’t really get people to follow you. And I think this sort of fear of trying, or trying to play the middle all the time on issues where, you know, maybe there’s not a middle and people need an alternative. Strongly put.

Malcolm Roberts: People want the truth and we have been calling out the truth forever – since I’ve been in politics, and Pauline, ever since she’s been in politics. When we’re very – we’re not afraid to say the truth and what we do is – Pauline’s insisting on this and I’ve always insisted on it because in my past people’s lives depended upon me getting the data. So we get the data and then we open our gobs.

Damian Coory: Another thing that’s interesting too is your share of people aged over 65, which has doubled from 5 to 11%. So you’re doing very well with the the older demographic and people say “oh, well, they’ll be dead soon” forgetting the fact that of course more people come into that demographic that demographic doesn’t go away. The people in it change, but the demographic doesn’t go away. And so it’s important, I mean this is an important part of our community. These are the elders. These are what we used to think are the wise ones and that we shut up and listen to. We don’t do that so much anymore. We listen too much to the young. But isn’t that a – is that a sign that people are maturing into One Nation, I guess or maturing into more conservative ideas still as they get older?

Malcolm Roberts: Yes. And that’s always been the case. We’ve been particularly high amongst the aged people over 60 / 65 for quite a while. But what we’re seeing now is grandparents coming to us and saying, my kids, my grandchildren cannot get a house, cannot get a future. They’re paying ridiculous energy prices for this scam on climate change. Property rights are being stolen. They’re concerned. Retired people have more time on their hands and they do the research and older people, you know, I’m a grandparent now, we’ve got one grandson, but I don’t mean this in a negative way, but I’ve got more time, more interest, more focus on my grandson than on my own children – when at the same age.

Damian Coory: You’ve got more time.

Malcolm Roberts: So I’m very concerned about his future. And then that applies – that’s what grandparents are telling us. Where do their grandkids get a house?

Damian Coory: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it’s funny because I often think doing this show and I know you, in politics is like – we swim in a sea of left wing assumptions, right?

Malcolm Roberts: We don’t.

Damian Coory: Personally we don’t, but I mean the country does. And we think that just because these people have got the microphones and the television cameras and you know, that they control what people think and they have a great influence over it. There’s no question of it. But ultimately, I think people do – are waking up. I think we are seeing a shift. I think it’ll be like America where that shift comes politically before it comes through the media or you know, but I think there’s something being missed by our talking classes, our chattering classes in relation to what is really going on with the grassroots level and what people really care about. Right?

Malcolm Roberts: You’re absolutely right. I’ve agreed with everything you’ve said so far. The chattering classes – they’re a manifestation of the left. They’re a vehicle for the left. I don’t like calling them left and right because the terms are confusing.

Damian Coory: Yeah, it’s simplistic – have to have some way of …

Malcolm Roberts: I use the terms control versus freedom. And the right is usually free and the left is usually control. All of the major control freaks throughout human history, well with very few exceptions, have been lefties – have been have been controlled side of politics, communist, socialist. That’s you look at Stalin, Mao, Hitler. Hitler was a was a lefty, he was a socialist. So they’ve mostly, all of them come, have come from the left side of politics, the control side of politics. And, and they weave a very attractive tale because it’s emotionally based, It’s not factually based. And what they do is they create victims, they set up victims, whether it be transgenders or whatever. And then they appeal to those victims. And what they do is essentially cripple those people. Damian, those people are made to be victims. And they’re in victimhood. That means they’re dependent on the government. And I don’t mean just financially, I mean morally and in their own, in their own psyche. So it’s really very crippling what they do.

Damian Coory: They want to create a welfare state.

Malcolm Roberts: Exactly.

Damian Coory: They want the dependency on government.

Malcolm Roberts: Exactly. Exactly.

Damian Coory: Control people.

Malcolm Roberts: Yeah. And in my first speech in parliament in 2016, September, I- we’re not supposed to in our first speech, criticise people, not not directly anyway. So I didn’t, I refrained. But I looked across at the Greens when I said part of the agenda in parliament is anti human. And I looked specifically at the Greens and then my second speech, I labelled them as anti humans. So the lefties are very much anti human. If you look at Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Maurice Strong lefties, all of them lefties and they’re anti human.

Damian Coory: Malcolm, just I want to ask you, what is One Nation’s plan to build on this momentum? I mean, you’ve got this great sort of turn around happening now. Could this be the moment that we- because a lot of people keep asking me, “when are we going to see a great party emerge that’s going to dominate the the conservative side of politics in Australia?”

Malcolm Roberts: How do we keep the momentum? We keep doing what we’re what we are doing. We go ahead and listen and then we speak accurately as representatives of the people. That’s our basic job, to serve the people by putting in place policies and actions that meet people’s needs. But above all, listen to people so we can understand their needs. That’s the first thing. The second thing is keep telling the truth. We’re known to be outspoken, but factually correct and data-based. So we’ll keep doing that and keep developing good policies. Our policies are resonating with people of all ages.

Damian Coory: I think that’s a very important point. You know, keep it fact based, keep it as truthful as you can. At least you know, you’re putting a consistent message out, consistent story out and people can see it and they can trust you more than any other comment I get, and you probably hear it too, is, you know, “why don’t the minor right leaning parties all join?” You know, why don’t they all join?

Malcolm Roberts: There are there are subtle differences sometimes mark differences between the between us and the micro-parties. So that’s one thing. And in democracy you keep people, you keep parties, ideologies, positions alive. You don’t try to bury them.

Malcolm Roberts: So

Damian Coory: it doesn’t hurt to have a bit of variety. We’ve got that preferential voting system. So that helps because people can, you know, use it to kind of vote in the order

Malcolm Roberts: Exactly. And so the way to work together, and we’ve said this for for years now, is to recommend that our voters who vote for us vote, vote for the other the micro-parties 2, 3, 4, put them ahead of them, the conservatives, the fake conservatives, the Liberal/Nationals and the Labor Party. So that’s the same. That’s one way of doing it. But the other thing it’s very important to remember is we reached out to all the micro-parties and they all said, “yeah, yeah, that’d be great preference, you know, give- recommend our party be preferenced.” “Yeah, yeah, yeah.” Where did they put us? Rennick put us 6. In the seat of Rankin he put us behind the- behind the- No! behind the Labor Party.

Damian Coory: Oh, OK. That’s not-

Malcolm Roberts: And on the Senate, he put us #6. We put him #2 same with the other micro-parties. And the reason is, and we said this before the election, Damien, that we were the only party that was capable of getting a senator elected in every state. And we came, we got three states senators elected. We came very close in each of the other three, two incredibly close. And so-

Damian Coory: Instead it might not know who watched this show. There’s that in Queensland. The Senate race was very tight for the last spot between you and Gerard Rennick.

Malcolm Roberts: Well, it ended up not being tight at all. We didn’t even rely on his preferences-

Damian Coory: Right. So you you cleanly won.

Malcolm Roberts: And he merged with Katter’s. So when you look at his personal vote, it was very small as a party. But the other thing to remember is that it’s just-

Damian Coory: That division is not helpful, though. I think a lot of people would say, you know, that we’d like to see you and Gerard working together. But, you know, we understand that people have different views in politics. Obviously, your decision to put him second is a signal that you stand by your values, that it’s not about the political game in the end.

Malcolm Roberts: Correct

Damian Coory: Right. And I guess that’s where, you know, he’s probably going to consider where he where he stands. And I’ll give him the opportunity to come on and talk to that again sometime, I guess. But yeah, no, I get it. It’s tough. And well-

Malcolm Roberts: He also told some lies about One Nation, and kept them going even though I pointed them out and he motioned that he agreed that they were lies, that he kept them alive. So Pauline doesn’t do that. I don’t do that. We tell the truth and that that’s what we’re famous for.

Damian Coory: OK, well, good. Keep it up. That’s we need more truth in politics. There’s no, no question about that. I want to just play a clip of Donald Trump speaking at the- we haven’t talked much about the issues, but I do want to discuss quickly with you immigration. We’ve got time to do that.

Malcolm Roberts: Sure.

Damian Coory: I’d like to play this clip of Donald Trump’s speech to the General Assembly of the United Nations.

Malcolm Roberts: Oh, fantastic.

Damian Coory: Yeah. In which he said- well, he was talking about the question of of immigration and open borders and where the United Nations is sort of- or the ideas of the United Nations permeating through national governments are sort of led us. So let’s have a listen to that one, John.

Video – Donald Trump: “The UN is supposed to stop invasions, not create them and not finance them. In the United States, we reject the idea that mass numbers of people from foreign lands can be permitted to travel halfway around the world, trample our borders, violate our sovereignty, cause unmitigated crime and deplete our social safety net. We have reasserted that America belongs to the American people and I encourage all countries to take their own stand in defence of their citizens as well. You have to do that because I see it. I’m not mentioning names, I see it and I can call every single one of them out. You’re destroying your countries, they’re being destroyed. Europe is in serious trouble. They’ve been invaded by a force of illegal aliens like nobody’s ever seen before. Illegal aliens are pouring into Europe. Nobody has ever- And nobody’s doing anything to change it to get them out. It’s not sustainable. And because they choose to be politically correct, they’re doing just absolutely nothing about it. And I have to say, I look at London where you have a terrible mayor, terrible, terrible mayor. And it’s been so changed. So changed.”

Damian Coory: Yeah, this- the idea that anybody talking about immigration is a racist or anybody suggesting that, you know, that’s got to shift it’s. And he says there, you know, we’ve got serious social problems emerging in places like London now that anybody can see, that are the result of trying of too fast, too much immigration and trying to ram cultures together that don’t really coalesce, right.

Malcolm Roberts: Yes, there are a number of problems with mass migration. I’m a migrant. I was born in India, OK? My mother was in North Queensland and my dad was Welsh, so he’s a migrant as well. So we’ve got nothing against migrants. Migrants have built this country literally, especially in the early days. But we’ve used to have standards on who could come in. Now we don’t have those standards. We’re letting terrorists in and we’re condoning them, keeping them here even when they break the law. So #1 is the problem is mass migration. He called it an invasion. And so it is. And it’s a deliberate invasion and it’s orchestrated by the UN and the World World Economic Forum. So that’s the first one. That’s-

Damian Coory: I think that sounds like a “wacky conspiracy theory”, Malcolm. But the World Economic Forum is real. It’s a global think tank if you like, or meeting every year of the top 1500 corporate leaders and the top 1500 government leaders from around the world. They meet in Davos every year. They have other meetings, but that’s the main one, and agendas are set.

Malcolm Roberts: Yes, correct

Damian Coory: Stuff is directly- it might not be, you know, Klaus Schwab in his little room with his hat. Well, it could be, but I hope it’s not. But it’s certainly a subtle, you know, there’s a subtle message that’s sent out about, you know, like the United Nations. And the reason we criticise the United Nations is because they’ve strayed from what they’re supposed to be about into this territory of, you know the sustainability goals, which are quite left wing when you look at them, right? They shouldn’t be doing that stuff. And the WEF does the same thing. “Here’s some guidelines, you might want to follow. Ooh, here’s some capital to follow those guidelines.”

Malcolm Roberts: There are two things to remember about the UN. It was created to be a vehicle for transferring wealth from we the people around the world to the globalist billionaires and the globalist corporations. BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, First State, they’re interconnected. So that’s the first thing. And that’s been stated by many, many senior UN bureaucrats, particularly Maurice Strong. The second thing about the UN is that it’s a vehicle to put in place an unelected socialist global governance. Now, we haven’t got time to unpack that, but I can unpack that, I’ve unpacked that in writing many times. Their model for unelected socialist global governance, they’ve stated is the EU, which is a unicameral parliament where the bureaucrats do the dictating and the rest of it, the parliament, is the façade.

Damian Coory: They’re not elected. Yeah.

Malcolm Roberts: So these are actually what’s going on. The second thing is that it’s destroying our culture, mass migration, and that’s deliberate because then, when individuals- basically there are two ways of structuring, just two basic structures for society, human society, family and nation-state, and both are being destroyed deliberately by the United Nations. These are campaigns, their social, their sustainable development goals, SDG’s are just ways of getting parliaments and, and unfortunately our parliament is complying with it, passing legislation to put in place those controls. The third thing is it’s the quality of the people coming in. We used to have migrants coming into this country who immediately went to work and improved our productive capacity. We’ve got grifters coming in, terrorists coming in. We’ve got people coming in who are saying that they want to kill us. I mean, what the hell are we doing!?

Damian Coory: Yeah, its crazy.

Malcolm Roberts: And the fourth thing is multiculturalism. The the strongest nations in the world are not multicultural. They’re monoculture. They tolerate other religions, they tolerate other races, they tolerate other nationalities. But above all, they’re proud of themselves. Taiwan, Japan, Korea, South Korea, China, Singapore, United States. People said in the early days, Bob Hawke did it and especially John Howard. “America is multicultural.” Rubbish. America above all, in America you are American. You’re very proud of your Polish ancestry, your Asian ancestry, your Indian ancestry, but you put them to the side because number one, you’re American. This is- what we’re doing is having our culture and our cohesion destroyed in front of our eyes. And it is deliberate because that way the nation-state falls into the background. Borders being smashed in Europe and the strong leaders like Orbán and Hungary and then the new president in Poland and others are saying :”no, we’re closed, our borders.” And that’s what we’ve got to do. We’ve got- and we’ve got to send home around 100,000 people here illegally. 100,000, and that’s just the start. We need to get into remigration, send people back to where they came from.

Damian Coory: All right, Malcolm Roberts, thank you very much.

Malcolm Roberts: Unless they’re productive.

Damian Coory: Unless they’re productive. Yeah, well, that’s a reasonable ask. Productive and peaceful and, you know, willing to integrate and assimilate to a certain extent with Australian culture. Yeah. It didn’t come out of nowhere. All right, Malcolm, thanks so much for your time. I’d love to have you back on the show and talk more. Senator Malcolm Roberts there from One Nation in QLD.

Malcolm Roberts: You’re welcome, thank you.

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Questioning the Commissioners

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Putting biological reality and mass migration under scrutiny

Australia has a Sex Discrimination Commissioner who isn’t sure what we mean by ‘biological men’ and a Race Discrimination Commissioner who refuses to attribute unprecedented levels of mass migration to the housing crisis and cost-of-living nightmare.

Both these individuals are paid roughly $400,000 + super.

At last week’s Senate Estimates I was able to question these commissioners on their recent dealings as part of my role holding the bureaucracy to account to you, the taxpayer.

What I heard in response was not only frustrating, it begs very serious questions about their standard of work.

‘What do you mean by biological males?’ – Dr Anna Cody, Sex Discrimination Commissioner

Here are some highlights from my questioning of Dr Anna Cody, the Sex Discrimination Commissioner in the context of the Giggle vs Tickle case and, more generally, the interference of sex-based protections in law through the inclusion of trans individuals.

Roberts: So, what sort of chromosomes does she [transwoman Roxanne Tickle] have – XX or XY?

Cody: I can’t answer that, Senator.

Roberts: You can’t?

Cody: No, I can’t answer that.

Roberts: Wow. [headshake]

Roberts: On my reading of what you’ve said in Giggle vs Tickle, the position on biological males in female spaces seems pretty clear at the Human Rights Commission. Could you explain?

Cody: What would you like me to explain, sorry Senator?

Roberts: What your position is.

Cody: On which issue?

Roberts: The position on biological males in female spaces – could you please explain the Human Rights Commission – your position on that?

Cody: What do you mean by biological males, Senator?

Roberts: Can someone who was born on XY chromosomes change to XX chromosomes? A male change to female?

Cody: I don’t believe so, but I’m not a scientist.

Roberts: Would you agree that a piece of legislation can’t change a person’s sex? If born a man they are a man. If they are born with XY chromosomes they’re a man and they stay a man?

Cody: No, I would not a agree.

Roberts: You don’t agree?

Cody: No.

Roberts: You talked about XX / XY you didn’t really know the answer. How can you make a decision on sex?

Cody: The issue that I’m saying around me not being able to identify whether someone has XX or XY is because I haven’t tested them. I’m not a scientist. That’s not my area of expertise.

Roberts: If a person was born male, that’s XY. Born female is XX.

Cody: Not always, Senator.

Roberts: No?

Cody: No.

Roberts: Someone who was born a man – a boy – has XY chromosomes, cannot change to have XX – is that correct?

Cody: If they are born – if their chromosomes are XY then their chromosomes, I don’t believe they can change, but as I repeat, I’m not a scientist, so I haven’t studied whether or not they can change.

Roberts: So, you’re not a scientist, how do you know which side to take in a court case?

Cody: Um, I’m not taking a side within a court case, our role is as amicus so that is to provide a clarification – help to the court in understanding the legal issues that are in dispute.

Roberts: So, how can you clarify if you don’t understand?

Cody: The – the – what – I – I – understand the law, what I don’t understand is the science around the XX / XY unless the evidence is before the court.

Astonishing! This is reminiscent of the Department of Health taking on ‘notice’ the definition of a woman.

The situation was not much better with the Race Discrimination Commissioner, Giridharan Sivaraman. Previously the former Chair of Multicultural Australia and Member of the Queensland Multicultural Advisory Council, he seemed particularly reluctant to address the economic, social, and cultural impact of mass migration.

Roberts: Is questioning the migration intake numbers racist?

Sivaraman: In of itself? It doesn’t have to be. No. It’s a question of what’s associated with that and whether certain groups get targeted.

Roberts: Okay, thank you. Mr Sivaraman, there are currently 4 million people in this country – our country – who aren’t Australian citizens – are not Australian citizens – taking up beds while Australians are homeless. Record homelessness – after years of unprecedented levels of mass migration. We have been at record numbers for multiple years in a row. That’s not saying anything disparaging about those people who have arrived. That’s just a fact. It is just a mathematical fact that if we continue to accept arrivals at the rate we are, our schools, hospitals, dams, transport, and housing are going to become even more overwhelmed than they are. That’s a fact. Is anyone who acknowledges that fact a racist?

Sivaraman: Um, Senator, I think the first issue is to simply to – connect – in a very linear way migration to the various problems that you’ve described would not be accurate. The problems that you’ve-

Roberts: What is inaccurate about it, Mr Sivaraman?

Sivaraman: The problems that you’ve alluded to like housing, the cost of living – are complicated problems with many different sources. Migration is one of the many different factors that may or may not contribute to those issues. Directly linking them is something that I wouldn’t agree with. And it’s that simplification that often then leads to the scapegoating of migrants, Senator, and I think that can be problematic.

Roberts: Could you tell me how I’m scapegoating migrants when I am one, and can you tell me how it’s simplifying the issue?

Sivaraman: Because it is a simplification of an issue if you directly say that there is only one cause for the significant problems.

Roberts: I didn’t say there was only one cause – it’s just a significant factor.

Sivaraman: Even that in itself is a simplification, Senator, that it could be any number of factors that contribute to those issues.

In both cases, the commissioners reject simplicity.

The biological norms which underpin human gender are simple. ‘Progressive politics’ is the first movement in history to regress ideologically to such a point that it struggles with the definition of men and women. This self-inflicted ‘confusion’ has jeopardised the protection of women, made a mockery of women’s sport, and a laughing stock out of what was once the greatest civilisation on Earth.

Australia’s first female Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, has a lot to answer for on this topic. After all, it was under her watch that the amendments were made to the Act. Consider the irony of a female leader making Australia less safe for women.

Meanwhile, the undeniable reality of mass migration is a simple mathematical principle that creates a complex forest of problems downstream of the initial mistake. These additional issues are being used to talk-around the primary cause even though the average Aussie on the street has a clear view of what went wrong. Ask them. They know.

I have found that simplicity is often rejected because it allows us to identify the policy error at the heart of these tragedies befalling Australian society.

If we know which policy is causing the problem, we know who wrote it, who voted for it, and how to fix it.

In these cases, we have sex discrimination policies that have been erroneously modified to remove accurate biological qualifications of sex to suit the trending ideological movement of the day, rather than upholding the protection of biologically segregated spaces – as was their intention.

For migration, the problem is the Big Australia Ponzi scheme being run by Labor (and the Coalition in the past) to cook the economic books and obscure the per capita backwards economic trend taking place. Doing so would mean admitting that migrants are being used to prop up political parties, bureaucratic structures, and the interests of developers while the immediate needs and rights of Australian citizens are torn to shreds.

Yes, we can still ask questions about these topics – but the quality of the answers we receive speaks volumes about the ingrained nature of the bureaucratic double-speak quagmire we need to dismantle before real change can be made.

Questioning the commissioners by Senator Malcolm Roberts

Putting biological reality and mass migration under scrutiny

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What are they Plotting this Time?

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My latest article in the Spectator Australia.

UK Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, doesn’t know Anthony Albanese particularly well. It was clear from the outset, despite their embraces on stage.

Opening his Renew Britain speech, Starmer confused the room by saying the Australian Labor Party won ‘a landslide victory earlier this Summer’.

The fact-check: Albanese attracted one of the lowest primary votes in recorded history during an Autumn election.

‘A key part is standing up to the divisive politics of the Right…’

Starmer’s complaint about division loosely translates as ‘anything that divides public opinion from government policy’.

Leaders frightened of public opinion are redefining debate as divisive. If the ghost of Churchill so-much as side-eyes Starmer, he wraps himself in the Online Safety Act like an infant dragging its blanket around.

➡️ Read the full article here: Albanese’s socialist love-in with Starmer

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Mining Towns Debanked

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Bendigo and Adelaide Bank deny home loans to mining communities

Australian banks are the world’s most profitable, raking in $30bn in profits last year. Much of this was sent overseas to their foreign shareholders, including the usual suspects – Blackrock, First State, and Vanguard. In total, Australian banks paid $27 billion in dividends, of which 26% or around $7 billion was sent to foreign-owned corporations.

Every dollar which goes overseas in dividends is a dollar Australia never sees again, reducing our GDP and making us all poorer.

In this Parliament, One Nation will introduce legislation to create an Australian People’s Bank, with 100% Australian ownership and a Banking Code of Practice which gives customers rights and protections that have been removed from the code being used by Australian banks.

Rural and Regional customers will benefit the most, with many Australian towns no longer having a single bank branch.

Banking greed, dishonesty, and profiteering is something I have been working on since coming into the Senate in 2016.

In 2017 One Nation were successful in creating a Select Committee on Lending to Primary Production Customers. It was obvious to the Senate the banks were screwing over the bush.

Specific issues raised by the Inquiry have been substantially addressed although remediation has not occurred. The big banks are behaving more responsibly in their lending practices as a result of this Inquiry and the Royal Commission that followed.

While lending practices have improved, the banks have turned to other schemes to make their excessive profits.

One area of great concern, one which will be corrected by a People’s Bank, is the closing of bank branches, forcing customers online.

In the last 10 years 2,500 bank branches have closed

I have written about the effect this has before. Today there is a new scam I want to alert you to. I thank the fearless journalist Dale Webster for her work on this topic: link to her article titled “Burning Down the House”.

The culprit this time is the Bendigo and Adelaide Bank, Australia’s fifth largest bank.

Bendigo are refusing to give home loans to any town or region which hosts a mine. This includes any mine, no matter the purpose – gold, coal, iron ore, bauxite, rare earths needed for the technology – everything.

Yes, the Bendigo Bank is black-banning towns where the very materials are mined that are used to make the computers that run their bank. What folly.

Anyone applying online for a loan to buy property in a mining area is immediately denied. Home lending in all of Queensland’s mining regions – from coal, oil and gas to opal mining – is knocked back by Bendigo Bank. Yes, even opals.

Distinct areas separated from others by favoured postcodes include Moura (4718) in the Bowen Basin coalfield, home to the Dawson Coal Mine, Mount Isa (4825), site of one of Australia’s largest copper and zinc mining complexes, and the world-renowned opal fields surrounding Quilpie and Longreach.

Coal centres Moranbah, Dysart, Clermont, Emerald, and Blackwater are no home-loan zones, as is the Roma-Miles-Dalby district, the site of Australia’s first oil and gas discoveries. Weipa, built by Rio Tinto to house bauxite mine workers in Far North Queensland, gets an instant knockback as does Tieri, built to house coal workers north of Emerald.

In the course of this investigation, more than 1,000 locations across Australia have been run through Bendigo Bank’s online loan process to verify whether this is truly a mining blacklist or if these postcodes are part of a bigger cohort focusing on general risk.

The Australian Taxation Office’s 10 lowest earning suburbs in every state and territory for 2021-22 were reviewed. The top 100 riskiest suburbs to purchase housing in for 2024 according to Realestate.com were reviewed. Climate Valuation’s top 30 suburbs by ‘number of high-risk properties from all climate change hazards by 2030’ were reviewed. All were approved.

Bendigo Bank will lend for housing in the poorest, riskiest, and most isolated places in Australia rather than a mining area.

This is not about risk, this is about social engineering.

Bendigo and Adelaide bank are publicly-listed Australian companies. They have a fiduciary duty to their shareholders to act in their best interests, not indulge their own prejudices.

As Dale points out, the embarrassing thing is that Bendigo, the city from which Bendigo Bank takes its name and where it has its head office, was built on gold mining.

If people cannot finance their home purchases these towns will die. This is a deliberate and possibly criminal attempt by the Bendigo Bank to destroy mining in Australia by destroying the towns that support the mines.

Once an area loses housing credits and mortgages the bank in that area can be closed, using the lie that there is no longer the demand for the branch. The truth is the banks are creating the lack of demand by withdrawing key banking services and engineering the closure.

Do you hear a peep out of the leadership of the Nationals or the Liberals about this? No of course not.

Opposition Leader Sussan Ley and Nationals Leader David Littleproud take their orders form the same predatory merchant banks that Bendigo Bank does. The Liberals, in particular, have overseen this destruction of retail banking in Australia since the time of Prime Minister Howard.

Only One Nation will fix this profiteering and control agenda by creating a People’s Bank.

Mining towns debanked by Senator Malcolm Roberts

Bendigo and Adelaide Bank deny home loans to mining communities

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Protecting Women’s Rights

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On Tuesday morning, 2 September, One Nation senators signed a pledge to protect women’s rights.

Identifying as a women can’t mean biological women suddenly have their rights taken away from them.

One Nation is the only party who isn’t afraid to define what a woman is.

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Burning Our Flag Isn’t Free Speech — It’s Anti-Australian

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2GB Radio Interview with Ben Fordham: Our flag is a symbol of national pride, unity, and identity. Burning it is not protest — it’s desecration. Like Trump, I believe there must be serious consequences.

Transcript

Ben Fordham: The US president has just signed an executive order which makes it a criminal offence. Donald Trump has told reporters if you burn our flag, you get one year in gaol, no early exits, no nothing. And there’s a similar push happening here in Australia. Pauline Hanson wants to criminalise the burning of the flag. The One Nation leader has launched a petition calling for laws to be introduced to protect our national flag. Malcolm Roberts, the One Nation Senator from Queensland, is on the line right now. Malcolm, good morning to you.

Senator Roberts: Good morning, Ben. It’s nice to hear you being so cheery.

Ben Fordham: Yeah, well, there’s no other way to do it, mate, at this time of the morning. So let me kick off first of all, with Donald Trump. I think this will be a popular move. I mean, regardless of what you think of any politician, people are very protective when it comes to their country and their flag.

Senator Roberts: Well, it’s wonderful to see the protests coming on the weekend, you know, because people in Australia can feel or sense something slipping away, mate. There’s a national identity that’s deteriorating and that’s linked to personal ID – personal identity – and Australia has an identity crisis and similar in America, and the globalists have pushed this agenda that’s destroying national boundaries, national sense of pride and Pauline can see that and I can see that, and what we need to do is restore what it means to be Australian.

Ben Fordham: So what are you suggesting should happen to someone who desecrates the Australian flag?

Senator Roberts: Well, that’s a matter for the parliament. I haven’t done too much thinking of that. But there be serious punishment. It should be a breach of the law and punishable, you know, and Donald Trump’s gone for a year in gaol. Why can’t we do that?

Ben Fordham: 30,000 people have signed the petitions so far, and we’ve seen some of these incidents recently and in the past when you have a protest and then someone thinks – I know what I’ll do, I’ll pull out the Australian flag and then start lighting it on fire, and always Australians are very defensive when it comes to that, so that would outlaw such a practise.

Senator Roberts: Well, you know, I’m delighted to see Australians taking back our country. I understand and I can empathise very much with people’s frustration and annoyance and anger. The government surrenders. It won’t stand up for Australia, it won’t stand up for Australians, it won’t stand up for a flag. Australians witnessing every protest on Palestine and other protests, with hundreds of people carrying foreign flags and taking homes from us Aussies. They see the Hamas flag, which is banned – it’s a terrorist flag – they can see that being hauled along and nothing done. And yet people have frowned upon if they carry an Aussie flag.
It’s crazy. You know, a nation is not just a shoreline – we’re an island nation – but it’s not just the dirt that we’ve got here, it’s the sense of culture, national spirit – it’s the glue. You know, you can’t touch it, but you can feel it and you can’t see it, but you can feel it. It’s the glue that gives people cohesion and the culture is very, very important and people know that one of our – well it’s the most important thing in any organisation, whether it’s a football club, Ben, or sporting club or nation or a corporation or a business, the culture is what’s so important. It’s vital for productivity, security, on safety and people can sense it slipping away and the government’s a part of that – the cause of that. So people are standing up and they want action.

Ben Fordham: You mentioned the August 31 protests. They’ll be happening this Sunday and there’ll be lots of Aussie flags out for that. And very important Malcolm Roberts, that everyone keeps a cool head this weekend when they’re at those demonstrations.

Senator Roberts: Absolutely, Ben. And what happens at some of these protests in the major capital cities is that people come along – plants from the left wing – and they come along and pretend to be Nazis and stir things up and then the protesters are given the blame. It’s actually very, very important that people be cool, be calm and just step for Australia and our flag and our nation. That’s all we need to do and just behave peacefully.

Ben Fordham: We appreciate your time. Thanks for jumping on the line.

Senator Roberts: You’re welcome, Ben. Keep going.

Ben Fordham: Good on you. Malcolm Roberts, the Senator for Queensland with Pauline Hanson’s One Nation.

Thousands of proud Australians have now signed the petition to ban burning of our flag. Burning our flag isn’t free speech—it’s anti-Australian. Respect our flag. Respect our country.

Want to add your name? https://www.onenation.org.au/petition-senate

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Fake Student Visas Fuel Immigration 

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I joined 2SM Radio to discuss a serious breach of Australia’s visa system – 23,000 international students have obtained fraudulent qualifications.

This widespread abuse undermines the integrity of our education sector, accelerates unsustainable immigration, and places additional strain on housing, wages, and public infrastructure.

The Albanese Government must take decisive action and should include deportations and full accountability from this government. 

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One Nation Turns Its Back on ‘Welcome to Country’

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From 2GB: One Nation has staged a protest against Welcome to Country. Party members turned their backs during the ceremony.

Listen to the full chat below:

Transcript

Ben Fordham: There’s been some tense scenes on the first day of federal parliament. One Nation has staged a silent protest during a welcome/acknowledgement in the Senate involving Indigenous Australians. Pauline Hanson and three of her party colleagues turned their backs and the One Nation leader says – our whole team has made it clear, we’ve had enough of being told we don’t belong in our own country. Now it’s not the first time Pauline has done this but it is the first time her long time colleague Malcolm Roberts has decided to take part and he’s on the line right now. Malcolm Roberts, good morning to you.

Malcolm ROBERTS: Good morning Ben. How are things?

Ben Fordham: Pretty good. Thank you so much for joining us. So, why did you join in with the protest yesterday?

Malcolm ROBERTS: Well our constituents Ben, across Australia have had a gutful. They’ve had enough of being welcomed to their own country and secondly and very importantly, we care for Aboriginals and what’s happening with these token services, token ceremonies is that they’re ignoring the real plight of Aboriginals which is real and we care about that. And we just listen to our constituents and our constituents have said both those messages.

Ben Fordham: Any reactions from some of your parliamentary colleagues in there? From the other parties?

Malcolm ROBERTS: No. No, not at all. They probably didn’t even realise it had happened.

Ben Fordham: I reckon there is a time and a place for these things and if there was a time and if there was a place it would be on the opening day of parliament, but you’ve obviously got a stronger view than me. You don’t think there’s any time, any place to have an Indigenous acknowledgement?

Malcolm ROBERTS: Not an acknowledgement of country Ben. I went to Yarralumba, the Governor-General’s residence on Sunday for a family day and we got a lecture, the Governor-General handed it over to the Indigenous – the aboriginal person and we got a lecture for ten minutes and the fact is that our sovereignty, there was never any sovereignty that had to be ceded. And then on Tuesday, we got four times a welcome to country or acknowledgement of country. The Ecumenical Church Service in the church started with that acknowledgement of country and then we had a welcome to country event and then we had the Governor-General opening parliament giving a welcoming ceremony and then we had the start of the Senate and that’s when we said “that’s enough, that’s it, we’ve had enough” and the President was appointed and she started the Senate with a welcome to country or acknowledgement of country. And Ben it gets ridiculous. I was at a conference in Mackay in Central Queensland and we had a speaker on a video tele-conference – she gave an acknowledge to the people of Canberra and to the people of Mackay. I mean this is crazy!

Ben Fordham: We revealed just on Monday that a daycare centre in Sydney where toddlers are being told they have to do a acknowledgement or a welcome at the start of the day.

Malcolm ROBERTS: Yeah it’s just – it perpetuates division and diverts the real care away from needy and deserving aboriginals Ben. But it also fractures and indoctrinates people. There’s plenty to celebrate in every culture but we don’t have to be welcomed to our own country every day and especially in Kindy. Come on!

Ben Fordham: Is this something that you’re going to be doing again in the future?

Malcolm ROBERTS: Yes. Every day.

Ben Fordham: What, do they do it every day though? Is there a welcome or acknowledgement at the start of every day?

Malcolm ROBERTS: Yes, there is. In the Senate …

Ben Fordham: Every day?

Malcolm ROBERTS: Every day, mate. That’s what I’m talking about. Every day. It start with an acknowledgement to country and then we go onto the prayers. And then we get on with business. So, it’s not needed. We’ve got three flags in the Senate …

Ben Fordham: So there were calls about a year or so ago for people to boo during welcome to country ceremonies at the AFL and I came out at the time and said absolutely not. I mean you’ve got to think about the poor person whose been given the responsibility of getting up there and doing the welcome. It’s not their call that they’re doing it and it’s not fair to do that to people so this is a silent protest and Malcolm Roberts is saying that they do the acknowledgment at the start of every single sitting day and that’s what we’re talking about when we’re saying this is overdone, it’s an overload, which is why some people are saying “enough is enough”.

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US Tariffs Could Hit Queensland Hard

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We need One Nation’s national-interest-first policies that will:

✔️ restore and protect Aussie industries

✔️ fix energy

✔️ cut immigration

✔️ restore sovereignty

Thanks for having me on your radio show Jason @2GB873

Transcript

Jason Morrison: There’s a lot of talk about Donald Trump, but there is actual stuff going on today with respect to tariffs.  There’s a whole batch of countries that have had letters sent to them from the US government in the most bizarre manner on Truth Social, signed letters from President Trump saying, “Dear Japan, Dear South Korea, Dear Malaysia, Dear Kazakhstan, Dear South Africa, Dear Laos” – informing their leaders of the tariff situation and what will be imposed on them.  Japan, Korea, 25% tariff to the US.  The other nations – Malaysia, South Africa, Myanmar, Laos – they’re at 40%.  You could go through the list.  Now we haven’t got ours yet. And perhaps we could be given an extension because we still haven’t had a conversation with the guy.  Right?

So maybe, just maybe, we might get it but there is a chance that we may get a letter too telling us what the outcome will be.  So, when you think about it, this puts at risk our food industry exports, our mining industry exports, our gas and you think – put all those together, there’s really, I mean Queensland is the home of gas, of coal, of food.  There’s a lot on the line for the state of Queensland, but a lot online for all of us here with this.

So, I thought I would just dip into Queensland for a second and talk about what the impact of this will be if this goes the way we fear it will go for Australia. 

Malcolm Roberts is Senator for QLD – One Nation and One Nation has got, you know, they’re heading towards as many senators in the parliament as the National Party.  So their view on this matters.  I thought I’d talk to him.  Malcolm Roberts, gidday.

Malcolm ROBERTS: Gidday.  What do you mean dipping into Queensland?  Is it just before the State of Origin, Jason?

Jason Morrison: Just before it, yeah.  Just a little trip up north.  I must say …

Malcolm ROBERTS: You’re not playing psychological games on us, are you?

Jason Morrison: I’ll tell you, we’ll try anything, anything at all.  But you’ve got to think about it.  Food exports, huge Queensland.  Coal, huge Queensland.  Gas, huge Queensland.  It all happens in Queensland.  And unfortunately NSW has made itself the recipient state, because if it wasn’t for you blokrd generating all the power, we wouldn’t have enough here too.  Now that’s got nothing to do with tariffs, but it does show that these economies are fragile, and tariffs could do something.

Malcolm ROBERTS: I’m glad you mentioned energy actually.  It’s not a distraction at all, Jason – it’s fundamental to a modern economy and modern civilization.  And when we’re destroying our electricity grid, as we are across the whole of the East Coast of Australia, you know, SA, Victoria, NSW and Queensland, we are making ourselves into a very precarious position. But there is something else that needs to be added. Queensland has the potential for enormous exports of rare earths in minerals from northwestern QLD – there’s a whole area there still to be opened up and our state government for decades now have neglected the northwest. But we have got the potential for really putting Australia on the map when it comes to rare earth metals.

Jason Morrison: I should point out, Malcolm is (was) a mining engineer and I guess you never stop being a mining engineer and thank goodness he understands it because very few in parliament do, but what would be the impact of these US tariffs on the Australian mining industry, which powers this country?

Malcolm ROBERTS: I don’t know enough about the actual details of what they’re what tariffs are putting on, but I think Trump has shown throughout his life that he’s a negotiator.  He throws the cards up in the air, catches everyone off guard and then jumps in when he’s picking up the cards.  So I don’t know what he’s got in mind, but he has shown signals with other countries that he’s after rare earth metals for America to compete in the modern age.  So there’s a huge opportunity for us there.  But you know what’s really – what this is really is a wake up call.  We haven’t been given a letter.  We’ve just been assumed that we’re going to be treated like we’re still at 10%.  But they are part of Trump’s agenda to put America first.  And that’s something that our country needs to start doing.  Under Liberal and Labor, for decades, we have not put Australia first.  We’ve sold out on free trade agreements. We’ve sold out our manufacturing with the Lima Declaration in 1975, which the Labor Party signed and the Liberal Party ratified the following year in 76.  So what we’ve got to do is take a lead from Donald Trump and start putting Australia first.

Jason Morrison: So let me turn that around.  Would you support Australia having a tariff attitude?

Malcolm ROBERTS: I think we have – yes, I would.

Jason Morrison: So let’s put this practically speaking.  So we could have maybe protected the Australian car industry from where it is now, which is almost non-existent.  I mean we make buses and caravans here, we don’t make cars here, we could have actually kept one going?

Malcolm ROBERTS: Correct.  We do need to consider – you know Whitlam signed the Lima Declaration which basically transferred our manufacturing to China and other Asian countries.  That was done deliberately under the UN Lima Declaration in 1975.  The Liberals have ratified that in 76 and have perpetuated it.  Manufacturing has been shot.  It’s not only tariffs that have caused the problem.  The number one cost component in manufacturing, Jason, is not labour anymore, it’s not wages. It’s electricity by far and what we’ve done in this country with putting up UN policies, Net-Zero Paris Agreement etc, we are destroying our electricity sector.  We’ve now got – we’ve gone from being the cheapest power in the world to amongst the most expensive.  All due to the UN policies. And that is destroying our manufacturing. What we’re doing is we’re subsidising with our taxes and with electricity prices, the Chinese to build subsidised solar and wind complexes in this country.  And we’re subsidising the Chinese to do it and to run it.  And we’re then sending our manufacturing jobs to China.

Jason Morrison: It’s a really interesting point.  I think people do forget that often.  We think because this is an expensive country, our labour’s expensive versus the rest of the world, we pay big money per hour for people working manufacturing versus what other nations do, but they’re not dumb enough to put their power through the roof.  Son we’ve done both.

Malcolm ROBERTS: Correct.  And it’s not just power – power on manufacturers, on employers and businesses, it’s the higher cost of living due to failed energy policies. The rampant inhuman – I would call it inhuman – excessive immigration in this country, which is shooting house prices through the roof, making it unaffordable. People in – we’re really screwing the lives of people in their 20’s, the young adults, the future leaders of this country, future citizens of this country are being jacked off because they’re just facing HUGE cost increases.  And electricity is a critical component in every part of our economy. And then we’ve got COVID fraud and mismanagement, which led to Pfizer and Moderna getting $18 billion in wealth transfers.

Jason Morrison: Oh, gosh, we don’t have enough time to do that.  But yeah, you’re right.

Malcolm ROBERTS: But we have looked after foreign corporations, Jason.

Jason Morrison: Over the top.

Malcolm ROBERTS: That’s just one example.

Jason Morrison: Yeah, and you know, I always think about it because people always – people in their 20’s – I have kids that are in their – 13, 11 and 9, they don’t have a vote, they don’t have a say.  And yet the decisions being made today are going to be decisions that they will pay for.  And the kids of today are being punished by the stupidity and ignorance of so many people that are electing clowns to high office.  And we’re getting basically – we’re not paying for it because they’ll be the ones that end up paying for it.

Malcolm ROBERTS: Correct.  You hit the nail on the head and the reason is because, you know, our constitution is the only constitution in the world in which the people got a vote on the constitution before it was introduced.  The only one!  And that the constitution puts the people at the top of the sovereignty arrangements in this country.  And yet what we’re doing – what we’re seeing in this country for decades under Labor and Liberal is people serving the government.  It should be the government serving the people.  Put Australia’s interests first. We need to be working to restore independence and that means freeing up electricity, stopping immigration at the moment and until we catch up with infrastructure and housing and until we can start to understand what’s really going on.

Jason Morrison: Yeah, hear, hear!  I mean, you know there will be people listening – “listen to this radical stuff being spoken” – never a truer thing has been said.  That is it!  Good on you.

Malcolm ROBERTS: Our Prime Minister has met with XI Ji Jingping four times.  Why so much effort into China?  I know they’re a big trading partner, but why so much effort into China?  What about the rest of the countries in the world, including America?

Jason Morrison: Yeah.  That’s so true.  Good on you.  Nice talking to you, Malcolm.  Thank you.

Malcolm ROBERTS: Thank you, Jason.

Jason Morrison: That’s Senator Malcolm Roberts from One Nation, who is a smart man and he’s one of these fellows when he speaks, it’s worth listening to what he’s got to say. Doesn’t just shoot from hip – you can tell he reads a lot and knows a lot. I think what we are seeing at the moment is just – it’s like they’ve pushed levers wrongly.  They’re pushing up wages, pushing up power and they’re just making everything in Australia uncompetitive at the moment, including living here. It’s just you can’t help but think there must be somebody behind them pushing the levers for them because it’s just so dumb.  And surely if you’re smart enough to get elected, you’re smart enough to know these are not smart.

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Australia’s Wake-Up Call: No Defence, No Homes, No Future?

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Is the true cost of Net Zero our national security? “We’re becoming a third-world country in the blink of an eye – and no one seems to care! It’s very simple, if we want Australia to win – we ditch Net Zero.

SPECTATOR TV AUSTRALIA | @SpectatorOz

Transcript

Because if a country can’t defend itself, it doesn’t matter what its policies are. It doesn’t matter at all. You know, our coal, our oil, natural gas and our uranium reserve are probably the largest in the world – certainly per capita. We are the richest nation in the world – the UN has said so itself.

Excluding tourists, there are two and a half million migrants in the country on temporary visas. That’s around about one and a half million houses that we need just for them. And that’s far too many people for our roads, our hospitals and the number of houses we have – far too many. And what’s happening is that good people, working families, because working families – I’ve visited them in every major city in this state – working families, mothers and fathers, are going home to their children, seeing if they’re still in the car where they’ll sleep tonight.


Alexandra Marshall (Host): Hello and welcome to SPECTATOR TV Australia. I’m your host, online editor Alexandra Marshall. And today we are joined by Queensland Senator Malcolm Roberts. Senator, welcome to the show.

Senator ROBERTS: Thank you very much, and congratulations on being back on air with SPECTATOR TV.

Alexandra Marshall: Thank you so much, Senator. And also a big congratulations to you, because you have just been re-elected to the Senate. Are you excited about being the de facto opposition this time around?

Senator ROBERTS: Well, first of all, thank you to the many people who supported me and thanks for the vote of confidence, because it’s actually the third time I’ve been elected to the Senate and the second time I’ve been re-elected. So I’m very, very pleased with that. We are the de facto opposition because Liberal and Labor have basically introduced the same policies over the last – since 1975, particularly since John Howard, who started the Liberal-Labor Uni party. What’s happening Alexandra is that the Liberal Party introduces every major climate energy policy, for example, and the most destructive housing and immigration policies – they’re the ones who put in big Australia and the Labor Party has just come in and ramped it up. So One Nation is the only elected party that’s capable of dealing with reality. You know, we focus on the data, the hard facts and the cruel facts. We don’t run away from them and and we keep reminding them. We’re the only party that will stick up and stay say the truth. And in that sense, we’ve always been the true opposition.

Alexandra Marshall: Well, I’ve been hearing a lot of chatter about the endless silence from the Coalition. The election was a while ago and yet we hear nothing from them when major world events happen. So I’m guessing One Nation is looking forward to having policies as well as opinions.

Senator ROBERTS: Well, we’ve had the best policies. I can honestly say most of them came out of my office thanks to the staff in our office. But we’ve had the best policies I have ever seen of any political party at any time in Australian history.

Alexandra Marshall: Well Senator, the world did change over the weekend with President Donald Trump taking a pre-emptive strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities. Now regardless of what anybody thinks about this or what will happen next, has home defence of Australia become a critical policy for when you return to Canberra?

Senator ROBERTS: It has been since we’ve been in Canberra, Alexandra. And yes, it will be when we return to Canberra, because if a country can’t defend itself, it doesn’t matter what its policies are, it doesn’t matter at all – the Chinese Communist Party just sent warships down here. They circled our country. We didn’t have one of our own warships tailing them when they were starting to to do firing, firing practise. You know, we are exporting our coal to China to build steel for, for arming itself and making weapons. We can’t use the coal here as steel industry is shutting down because of the high energy costs. We are crippling ourselves and people are just laughing at us.

Alexandra Marshall: Well, Senator, there’s been a lot of criticism of Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and indeed our Foreign Minister Penny Wong regarding what’s going on in the global stage now, particularly Anthony Anthony Albanese’s performance at the G7. But when we talk about what’s going on there, has Australia’s position on the world stage been damaged by the way Labour has approached our situation in the world and let’s face it, one of our strongest allies, which is the United States?

Senator ROBERTS: Yes, unquestionably every country, including Australia, benefits when we have a good reputation. Everyone, after all, is usually happy to meet an Aussie overseas travelling. And you know, I know that when I was working and studying and travelling across the United States for a total of about five years and two visits, people love to hear Australians. Oh, I love your accent. But then they love the way we are so similar to Americans in our lifestyle and their values. They love to meet Australians. They’re laughing at us. When they look closely, when people overseas look closely, what we’re doing, they just laugh and ask if we’re serious about what what’s going on in this country. We’re crippling our manufacturing, crippling our energy sector and countries are saying, haven’t you learned anything from Spain? Haven’t you learned anything from from Germany? Haven’t you learned anything from the Europeans destroying? Haven’t you learned anything about Britain destroying itself? Haven’t you learned anything from Donald Trump saying no more solar and wind? I mean, these, you know, our coal, our oil, natural gas and our uranium reserves are probably the largest in the world. Certainly per capita we are the richest nation in the world. The UN has said so itself. And you know, I accuse them of lying, but that’s they’ve still got that fact right. Yet our power costs are sky high because we only export it. We can’t use it here.

Alexandra Marshall: Well, why the while there is a silence from most of our elected officials, which is kind of concerning given the state of the world. One Nation leader Pauline Hanson did release a statement. Now in that statement, she says, and I’m going to quote and read from this. This is directed toward our Anthony Albanese. Your government’s position continues to be inadequate against the danger of radical Islam in Australia, which puts the lives of citizens at risk. Now that is what Pauline Hanson has said and she is saying this in relation to Australia’s immigration policy and calling for there to be no more visas issued to Iranians at this point in time when there is a risk of a regime change and more extreme ideological views coming into the country. As Senator, there’s also a mass migration disaster taking place in the cities around Australia right now. Would you like to see migration and immigration, the Prime Minister put a tighter hold and control on that, particularly given the geopolitical climate we are in right now?

Senator ROBERTS: Yes, that’s a very simple answer to give. Yes. What’s more, Alexandra, we have asked him for that and he’s given us given us that, that response, but he broke it and he lied about it straight afterwards. We asked him after his first year in office, he imported 518,000 new immigrants, net migration 518,000 over half a million. And then when we exposed that and told him how much damage he was doing. We’ve got people homeless from every, every provincial city in this, this state of ours. We should be the richest in the world. We’ve got 10s of thousands of people homeless. You don’t have to go far to see it. And when we raised that, he said, OK, well, we’ll make sure immigration is lower the following year – it was bloody higher. Now we’ve always discussed issues, Alexandra, with the quality and quantity of immigration, the number of people and the type and quality of people in terms of their ability to contribute. Straight away he’s, he’s bringing in people that. What are the figures now – 0.6% have construction experience and will go into housing. They’re supposed to build houses for the other 99.4%, you know, excluding tourists, there are two and a half million migrants in the country on temporary visas. That’s around about one and a half million houses that we need just for them. And that’s far too many people for our roads, our hospitals and the number of houses we have far too many. And what’s happening is that good people, working families, I should calm down because working families, I’ve visited them in every major provincial city in this this state, working families, mothers and fathers are going home to their children, seeing if they’re still in the car, where they’ll sleep tonight. Where do they go to the toilet? Where do they shower? This is this is a barn. Good working families.

Alexandra Marshall: And even in city suburbs, we would not expect to see it. Senator, I myself have personally stood in line at house inspections with over 60 people. And you know, there’s there’s so little hope for people trying to find somewhere to live. And everywhere you do find is ridiculously expensive for what is essentially a shoebox. But Senator, I want to talk.

Senator ROBERTS: Alexandra. It’s also another fact that that the reason immigration is so high is to hide the fact that we are in a per capita recession, which is the real measure of a recession. So we are in a per capita recession, which is a recession. But the definition of a recession, as you know just as well as I do, is two terms, two quarters of negative growth overall in the economy. And they’ve stayed out of that by inflating the economy with people, inflating demand, raising our gross domestic product. So it’s barely over 0. And that way they stay out of officially being called a recession. That’s what they’re doing. They don’t care how many people are homeless, how many people are living in misery, how many people are living with with threats of violence over their heads in our country because they just want to make sure that they’re not officially classified as the treasurer and Prime Minister who brought upon us the recession. And Scott Morrison needs to be held partly accountable for that, too.

Alexandra Marshall: So strange that socialists are lacking empathy, Senator, but that does appear to be the case. Now, look, domestic security and national security are intrinsically linked with energy security and mineral security. That is how we protect a grid, how we create energy and how we manage our natural resources, which are of course finite. Now, under the previous governments of both Coalition and Labour, Australia has been outsourcing not only all of our coal and oil and gas, which we sell off into other countries, particularly China, but our energy grid which is becoming increasingly reliant on foreign powers to function. And not only that, it’s becoming more and more fragile. If you were given the absolute power, senator in Canberra and you can make a change to Australia’s energy condition, what would you like to see happen as soon as possible?

Senator ROBERTS: First of all, the message that you just said needs to be articulated across the country. We need to have energy. Energy has been on a relentless downward trend. Energy price has been on the relentless downward trend in real terms from about 1850 to now and sorry until about 1996 and the start of the Howard government when that was artificially increased. The important point is that decreasing costs of energy in real terms are the the powerhouse that drives human progress. So what happened with John Howard coming in with his renewable energy targets, stealing farmers property rights, National Electricity Market putting in in place first policy for carbon dioxide tax. Yes, Liberal were the first to have that policy. What he did was he reversed human progress and made it more expensive to for for energy. Now the important thing in that is that manufacturing over the last few decades, the number one cost factor in manufacturing is energy prices. The lower your energy price, the lower your manufacturing costs. What we have done is artificially inflated, raised the cost of energy. We’ve destroyed our manufacturing and guess where it’s going? It’s going to China. First of all, we’re we’re subsidising the Chinese to make solar and wind solar panels and wind turbines. We’re subsidising them to import them, we’re subsidising to transport them. We’re subsidising them to erect them. We’re subsidising to run them. We’re subsidising after 15 years for them to replace the damn things when a coal fired power station lasts 60 years at least. And So what we’re doing, taking that subsidy under our electricity costs, is driving the cost of electricity to make it unaffordable for manufacturing. So our manufacturers go to China and manufacturing jobs go to China. Our electricity becomes much more expensive. We’re becoming a third world country in the blink of an eye and nobody seems to be caring about it. So it’s very simple if we want Australia to win – we ditch net zero. We use the coal, the oil, the gas and the uranium reserves in Australia for Australians. China is using our coal to cheaply power its manufacturing industry. It’ll cripple our manufacturing. It’s crippling our farmers. During a drought, The last drought we had farmers in North Queensland, they personally told me farmers in central QLD and farmers in southern Queensland did not plant hot fodder crops because the cost of pumping water was too high. In a drought, no fodder crops. This is insane.

Alexandra Marshall: It’s often difficult to explain to the younger generation exactly what the rising price of energy is impacting in their lives. One great way that I’ve found is to turn the lights off or turn the power off and see how many things would no longer work. In a society a lmost nothing work with our energy and that’s everything which this green tax is being added to. But you know, the Nationals are being sent down a little rabbit hole about trying to workout how much net zero will cost. Personally, I think they’ve been sent on a bit of busy work by the Liberals who don’t really want to talk about net zero. But as you indicated, I think AI has done a few calculations and it thinks that net 0 cost Australia 9 trillion or something in that order to fully maintain and change our grid. But that does not include losses to businesses. It does not include replacing the grid every 15 years when everything breaks. That’s a a conservative estimate, but my question is could the real cost of net 0 senator be our national security.

Senator ROBERTS: Definitely is. Undoubtedly it is. And by the way, on the cost estimates for for net zero, Peter Dutton, Dutton said the Coalition has estimated the cost of $1.3 trillion. An independent study from three universities in this country estimated 1.5 trillion, Bloomberg 1.9 trillion. And as as you said, when you include the cost of jobs, businesses, replacing the grid every 15 years, it’s 9 trillion. That was developed by AI, which is just taking some of the facts that are freely available. The cost to Australia though, is national security, $9 trillion is how much capital will be needed in the next 35 years. According to Net 0, the most comprehensive start. Sorry, according to Net 0 Australia, the most comprehensive study to date by the University of Melbourne, the University of Queensland and Princeton IN America, that’s $260 billion a year, Alexandra, that gets tacked onto our electricity costs and our taxation. Australia’s entire military budget is 56 billion. That’s 0.6% of the of the costs of, of Net 0. And part of net 0 is that we can’t use coal and make steel in Australia. You can’t make, you can’t make steel using the coal that we have. The best cooking coal, the best steel grade coal, coal in the world. And Australia is shipping that to China where they’re building warships with it and munitions with it. We can’t use it here. I mean, people know that. That’s an absolute insanity. The true cost to our country and our way of life, Australia’s way of life, standard of living, cost of living, affordability, lifestyle, safety, security, our children’s future. Everything is being decimated, jobs, lifestyle out the door because Liberal in which Liberal Nationals which introduced this and Labor Party which ramped it up in each occasion are crippling this country and the Nationals. I believe that some of the Nationals are genuinely afraid of net 0. Some of them who are afraid of net zero and wanted to stop actually advocated for us to cut carbon dioxide. So they’re culpable in in in some instances, but they’ve woken up because because One Nation has put the pressure to them. We’re the only party that’s calling out net zero as insanity, the only party that’s saying it’s it’s detrimental to our to our health of our country, but we’re the only ones actually opposed to it and what they’re trying to do is deceptive, but we’ll call them out on it.

Alexandra Marshall: It’s quite extraordinary that Jim Chalmers and Chris Bowen and Anthony Albanese and the whole Labour Kit and Gaboodle are going to war against carbon, which is the fundamental building block of life and they have a defence budget to match which is of course the spending on renewable energy. It is an extraordinary amount of money being wasted on a wall that does not exist anywhere except in their own UN driven fantasy world. But you did touch on a topic there before, Senator, which was about the resources that Australia has, these precious resources. Now, we often hear that Australia’s economy runs on the back of the mining industry. Now that is true, But when the world enters a dangerous geopolitical footing, the basic resources that a country possesses are worth more than what they can be exported as. Now, given this, should Australia be more careful about how much of our limited resources we are shipping to places like China on the cheap instead of getting the maximum value out of this of this resources? Do we need to be more careful about how we manage lithium, iron, silicon, coal, oil, gas, gold, everything.

Senator ROBERTS: Copper, silver, zinc, lead? Yes, we should be more careful. Number one, we should get more money for it that we, we are the world’s third largest exporter of natural gas. Qatar is the second largest I believe and the United States is the largest. We get ****** all for it. Our coal, we get ****** all for that, except in Queensland now we get, we get massive royalties, but we’re still not not using them properly. We’re still allowing the export of valuable cooking coal and and that’s fine, but we need to make sure we have access to it here and have a steel industry that can be supported. That’s why we pushed Capricorn Steel building a transcontinental railway line in the north north of Australia just above the Cap Tropic of Capricorn to have steel mills in the iron ore and have steel mills in the West and have steel mills in the cooking coal mines in in the east and ship the the coal West and the iron ore East, we need to build an iron ore. We need to think strategically and rebuild our on our industry. We can be and they’re hard, the customers for this and hard investors looking at this, including Australian investors. We need to be the world’s largest producers of steel and iron and the best quality and that is easily and easily achieved with the proposals we are saying. We have got so much coal, so much iron ore, so much gas, so much uranium and we look like we could be the one of the world’s largest producers of rare earth metals. But these and other metals we need to be considering strategically and to think long term for our country. You know, we have enough resources to last our country for thousands of years, but not if we let other countries plunder it while getting none of the benefit. We need to export. We need to identify the best resources for ourselves and we need to get a fair price for our export exports. You know, why would Australia want to invade? Why would China want to invade Australia when they already own airports, mines, houses and water and some of our electricity networks? What’s left for them to take? They’ve been buying it. We should use our resources for ourselves first and export what’s what’s what remains.

Alexandra Marshall: And finally, Senator, the One Nation has been making recommendations about defence honours and the Awards Appeals Tribunal. And it says he would like to review all nominations for Distinguished Service Crosses and medals to senior officers between 1991 and 2012, among a whole other raft of recommendations. This is a very interesting series of ideas that One Nation has. What is the purpose and significance behind One Nation’s recommendations in this field?

Senator ROBERTS: Well, it’s really simple when it comes to defence the critical foundation of our defence strategy is the quality of our people and that has been driven by mateship – that is being eroded Alexandra. We have a we had a proud Defence Force who no longer have the high morale they had and that has been crippled by the lack of accountability in the top brass. They have been flagrantly abusing their privileges, their titles, the honours and award system and their positions. We have the the the head of the Australian Defence Force, the Chief of the Defence forces. He is now paid 3 times what the American equivalent is paid. The American equivalent has 10s of thousands of many times more servicemen and women, has nuclear capable ships, planes. He has so many weapons and he can do so much damage and yet he’s paid 1/3 what our chief of defence forces is. This is ridiculous. We are overpaying our senior officers. We’re giving them far too much leniency. They’re not being held accountable. They are destroying the morale. And you know, we plan the well, the government plans to pay hundreds of billions of dollars for equipment like orcas submarines, the Hunter class frigates, combat reconnaissance vehicles, F35 jets. What the hell can they do without good morale in amongst the people who fly them and ship them and pilot them and, and arm them? The retention crisis now is from low morale. So we don’t have people to drive that fancy equipment. We’ve got a contractor on over a billion dollars income payment that we are outsourcing to recruit. Why the hell should we do that? Under them the recruit retention has gone down. Under them the recruit intake has gone down. We won’t have anyone to drive that fancy equipment. And when we do put people in that equipment, how the hell can we have ensure they have high morale when they’re being gutted by the inconsistencies, the hypocrisy and the deceit of of of the top brass. The ADF people are leaving because they don’t feel valued and that’s what my medals inquiry looked at. There’s a two tier system in the Defence Force at this moment and that needs to be addressed if we want people to win. The overarching thing about Australian leadership is that people in Australia will follow good leaders. If they’re not good leaders they will crucify them. And what we’re heading for here is, is real embarrassment for Australia’s Defence Force because we are not keeping up with the standards in the Australian military. And that is due solely and entirely to two groups of people, the top brass in our country and the and the Liberal and Labour Uni Party, defence ministers and bureaucrats that are just ******** on basically the soldiers. And we need to stop that. The soldiers, the airmen and the and the Navy sailors, we need to stop that. Need to call it call, call a spade a spade and get on with fixing the Defence Force morale and the Defence Force strategy.

Alexandra Marshall: Well, Senator, there has never been a more important time in our modern history for Australia’s defence forces to feel as if they are being looked after, particularly the young men and women who are on the ground defending Australia’s interests here at home and abroad. So I’d like to thank you very much, Senator Malcolm Roberts for joining us here today on Spectator TV.

Senator ROBERTS: You’re welcome. Keep up the good work, Alexandra.

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