From 2GB: One Nation has staged a protest against Welcome to Country. Party members turned their backs during the ceremony.
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Ben Fordham: There’s been some tense scenes on the first day of federal parliament. One Nation has staged a silent protest during a welcome/acknowledgement in the Senate involving Indigenous Australians. Pauline Hanson and three of her party colleagues turned their backs and the One Nation leader says – our whole team has made it clear, we’ve had enough of being told we don’t belong in our own country. Now it’s not the first time Pauline has done this but it is the first time her long time colleague Malcolm Roberts has decided to take part and he’s on the line right now. Malcolm Roberts, good morning to you.
Malcolm ROBERTS: Good morning Ben. How are things?
Ben Fordham: Pretty good. Thank you so much for joining us. So, why did you join in with the protest yesterday?
Malcolm ROBERTS: Well our constituents Ben, across Australia have had a gutful. They’ve had enough of being welcomed to their own country and secondly and very importantly, we care for Aboriginals and what’s happening with these token services, token ceremonies is that they’re ignoring the real plight of Aboriginals which is real and we care about that. And we just listen to our constituents and our constituents have said both those messages.
Ben Fordham: Any reactions from some of your parliamentary colleagues in there? From the other parties?
Malcolm ROBERTS: No. No, not at all. They probably didn’t even realise it had happened.
Ben Fordham: I reckon there is a time and a place for these things and if there was a time and if there was a place it would be on the opening day of parliament, but you’ve obviously got a stronger view than me. You don’t think there’s any time, any place to have an Indigenous acknowledgement?
Malcolm ROBERTS: Not an acknowledgement of country Ben. I went to Yarralumba, the Governor-General’s residence on Sunday for a family day and we got a lecture, the Governor-General handed it over to the Indigenous – the aboriginal person and we got a lecture for ten minutes and the fact is that our sovereignty, there was never any sovereignty that had to be ceded. And then on Tuesday, we got four times a welcome to country or acknowledgement of country. The Ecumenical Church Service in the church started with that acknowledgement of country and then we had a welcome to country event and then we had the Governor-General opening parliament giving a welcoming ceremony and then we had the start of the Senate and that’s when we said “that’s enough, that’s it, we’ve had enough” and the President was appointed and she started the Senate with a welcome to country or acknowledgement of country. And Ben it gets ridiculous. I was at a conference in Mackay in Central Queensland and we had a speaker on a video tele-conference – she gave an acknowledge to the people of Canberra and to the people of Mackay. I mean this is crazy!
Ben Fordham: We revealed just on Monday that a daycare centre in Sydney where toddlers are being told they have to do a acknowledgement or a welcome at the start of the day.
Malcolm ROBERTS: Yeah it’s just – it perpetuates division and diverts the real care away from needy and deserving aboriginals Ben. But it also fractures and indoctrinates people. There’s plenty to celebrate in every culture but we don’t have to be welcomed to our own country every day and especially in Kindy. Come on!
Ben Fordham: Is this something that you’re going to be doing again in the future?
Malcolm ROBERTS: Yes. Every day.
Ben Fordham: What, do they do it every day though? Is there a welcome or acknowledgement at the start of every day?
Malcolm ROBERTS: Yes, there is. In the Senate …
Ben Fordham: Every day?
Malcolm ROBERTS: Every day, mate. That’s what I’m talking about. Every day. It start with an acknowledgement to country and then we go onto the prayers. And then we get on with business. So, it’s not needed. We’ve got three flags in the Senate …
Ben Fordham: So there were calls about a year or so ago for people to boo during welcome to country ceremonies at the AFL and I came out at the time and said absolutely not. I mean you’ve got to think about the poor person whose been given the responsibility of getting up there and doing the welcome. It’s not their call that they’re doing it and it’s not fair to do that to people so this is a silent protest and Malcolm Roberts is saying that they do the acknowledgment at the start of every single sitting day and that’s what we’re talking about when we’re saying this is overdone, it’s an overload, which is why some people are saying “enough is enough”.
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We need One Nation’s national-interest-first policies that will:
✔️ restore and protect Aussie industries
✔️ fix energy
✔️ cut immigration
✔️ restore sovereignty
Thanks for having me on your radio show Jason @2GB873
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Jason Morrison: There’s a lot of talk about Donald Trump, but there is actual stuff going on today with respect to tariffs. There’s a whole batch of countries that have had letters sent to them from the US government in the most bizarre manner on Truth Social, signed letters from President Trump saying, “Dear Japan, Dear South Korea, Dear Malaysia, Dear Kazakhstan, Dear South Africa, Dear Laos” – informing their leaders of the tariff situation and what will be imposed on them. Japan, Korea, 25% tariff to the US. The other nations – Malaysia, South Africa, Myanmar, Laos – they’re at 40%. You could go through the list. Now we haven’t got ours yet. And perhaps we could be given an extension because we still haven’t had a conversation with the guy. Right?
So maybe, just maybe, we might get it but there is a chance that we may get a letter too telling us what the outcome will be. So, when you think about it, this puts at risk our food industry exports, our mining industry exports, our gas and you think – put all those together, there’s really, I mean Queensland is the home of gas, of coal, of food. There’s a lot on the line for the state of Queensland, but a lot online for all of us here with this.
So, I thought I would just dip into Queensland for a second and talk about what the impact of this will be if this goes the way we fear it will go for Australia.
Malcolm Roberts is Senator for QLD – One Nation and One Nation has got, you know, they’re heading towards as many senators in the parliament as the National Party. So their view on this matters. I thought I’d talk to him. Malcolm Roberts, gidday.
Malcolm ROBERTS: Gidday. What do you mean dipping into Queensland? Is it just before the State of Origin, Jason?
Jason Morrison: Just before it, yeah. Just a little trip up north. I must say …
Malcolm ROBERTS: You’re not playing psychological games on us, are you?
Jason Morrison: I’ll tell you, we’ll try anything, anything at all. But you’ve got to think about it. Food exports, huge Queensland. Coal, huge Queensland. Gas, huge Queensland. It all happens in Queensland. And unfortunately NSW has made itself the recipient state, because if it wasn’t for you blokrd generating all the power, we wouldn’t have enough here too. Now that’s got nothing to do with tariffs, but it does show that these economies are fragile, and tariffs could do something.
Malcolm ROBERTS: I’m glad you mentioned energy actually. It’s not a distraction at all, Jason – it’s fundamental to a modern economy and modern civilization. And when we’re destroying our electricity grid, as we are across the whole of the East Coast of Australia, you know, SA, Victoria, NSW and Queensland, we are making ourselves into a very precarious position. But there is something else that needs to be added. Queensland has the potential for enormous exports of rare earths in minerals from northwestern QLD – there’s a whole area there still to be opened up and our state government for decades now have neglected the northwest. But we have got the potential for really putting Australia on the map when it comes to rare earth metals.
Jason Morrison: I should point out, Malcolm is (was) a mining engineer and I guess you never stop being a mining engineer and thank goodness he understands it because very few in parliament do, but what would be the impact of these US tariffs on the Australian mining industry, which powers this country?
Malcolm ROBERTS: I don’t know enough about the actual details of what they’re what tariffs are putting on, but I think Trump has shown throughout his life that he’s a negotiator. He throws the cards up in the air, catches everyone off guard and then jumps in when he’s picking up the cards. So I don’t know what he’s got in mind, but he has shown signals with other countries that he’s after rare earth metals for America to compete in the modern age. So there’s a huge opportunity for us there. But you know what’s really – what this is really is a wake up call. We haven’t been given a letter. We’ve just been assumed that we’re going to be treated like we’re still at 10%. But they are part of Trump’s agenda to put America first. And that’s something that our country needs to start doing. Under Liberal and Labor, for decades, we have not put Australia first. We’ve sold out on free trade agreements. We’ve sold out our manufacturing with the Lima Declaration in 1975, which the Labor Party signed and the Liberal Party ratified the following year in 76. So what we’ve got to do is take a lead from Donald Trump and start putting Australia first.
Jason Morrison: So let me turn that around. Would you support Australia having a tariff attitude?
Malcolm ROBERTS: I think we have – yes, I would.
Jason Morrison: So let’s put this practically speaking. So we could have maybe protected the Australian car industry from where it is now, which is almost non-existent. I mean we make buses and caravans here, we don’t make cars here, we could have actually kept one going?
Malcolm ROBERTS: Correct. We do need to consider – you know Whitlam signed the Lima Declaration which basically transferred our manufacturing to China and other Asian countries. That was done deliberately under the UN Lima Declaration in 1975. The Liberals have ratified that in 76 and have perpetuated it. Manufacturing has been shot. It’s not only tariffs that have caused the problem. The number one cost component in manufacturing, Jason, is not labour anymore, it’s not wages. It’s electricity by far and what we’ve done in this country with putting up UN policies, Net-Zero Paris Agreement etc, we are destroying our electricity sector. We’ve now got – we’ve gone from being the cheapest power in the world to amongst the most expensive. All due to the UN policies. And that is destroying our manufacturing. What we’re doing is we’re subsidising with our taxes and with electricity prices, the Chinese to build subsidised solar and wind complexes in this country. And we’re subsidising the Chinese to do it and to run it. And we’re then sending our manufacturing jobs to China.
Jason Morrison: It’s a really interesting point. I think people do forget that often. We think because this is an expensive country, our labour’s expensive versus the rest of the world, we pay big money per hour for people working manufacturing versus what other nations do, but they’re not dumb enough to put their power through the roof. Son we’ve done both.
Malcolm ROBERTS: Correct. And it’s not just power – power on manufacturers, on employers and businesses, it’s the higher cost of living due to failed energy policies. The rampant inhuman – I would call it inhuman – excessive immigration in this country, which is shooting house prices through the roof, making it unaffordable. People in – we’re really screwing the lives of people in their 20’s, the young adults, the future leaders of this country, future citizens of this country are being jacked off because they’re just facing HUGE cost increases. And electricity is a critical component in every part of our economy. And then we’ve got COVID fraud and mismanagement, which led to Pfizer and Moderna getting $18 billion in wealth transfers.
Jason Morrison: Oh, gosh, we don’t have enough time to do that. But yeah, you’re right.
Malcolm ROBERTS: But we have looked after foreign corporations, Jason.
Jason Morrison: Over the top.
Malcolm ROBERTS: That’s just one example.
Jason Morrison: Yeah, and you know, I always think about it because people always – people in their 20’s – I have kids that are in their – 13, 11 and 9, they don’t have a vote, they don’t have a say. And yet the decisions being made today are going to be decisions that they will pay for. And the kids of today are being punished by the stupidity and ignorance of so many people that are electing clowns to high office. And we’re getting basically – we’re not paying for it because they’ll be the ones that end up paying for it.
Malcolm ROBERTS: Correct. You hit the nail on the head and the reason is because, you know, our constitution is the only constitution in the world in which the people got a vote on the constitution before it was introduced. The only one! And that the constitution puts the people at the top of the sovereignty arrangements in this country. And yet what we’re doing – what we’re seeing in this country for decades under Labor and Liberal is people serving the government. It should be the government serving the people. Put Australia’s interests first. We need to be working to restore independence and that means freeing up electricity, stopping immigration at the moment and until we catch up with infrastructure and housing and until we can start to understand what’s really going on.
Jason Morrison: Yeah, hear, hear! I mean, you know there will be people listening – “listen to this radical stuff being spoken” – never a truer thing has been said. That is it! Good on you.
Malcolm ROBERTS: Our Prime Minister has met with XI Ji Jingping four times. Why so much effort into China? I know they’re a big trading partner, but why so much effort into China? What about the rest of the countries in the world, including America?
Jason Morrison: Yeah. That’s so true. Good on you. Nice talking to you, Malcolm. Thank you.
Malcolm ROBERTS: Thank you, Jason.
Jason Morrison: That’s Senator Malcolm Roberts from One Nation, who is a smart man and he’s one of these fellows when he speaks, it’s worth listening to what he’s got to say. Doesn’t just shoot from hip – you can tell he reads a lot and knows a lot. I think what we are seeing at the moment is just – it’s like they’ve pushed levers wrongly. They’re pushing up wages, pushing up power and they’re just making everything in Australia uncompetitive at the moment, including living here. It’s just you can’t help but think there must be somebody behind them pushing the levers for them because it’s just so dumb. And surely if you’re smart enough to get elected, you’re smart enough to know these are not smart.
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Is the true cost of Net Zero our national security? “We’re becoming a third-world country in the blink of an eye – and no one seems to care! It’s very simple, if we want Australia to win – we ditch Net Zero.
Because if a country can’t defend itself, it doesn’t matter what its policies are. It doesn’t matter at all. You know, our coal, our oil, natural gas and our uranium reserve are probably the largest in the world – certainly per capita. We are the richest nation in the world – the UN has said so itself.
Excluding tourists, there are two and a half million migrants in the country on temporary visas. That’s around about one and a half million houses that we need just for them. And that’s far too many people for our roads, our hospitals and the number of houses we have – far too many. And what’s happening is that good people, working families, because working families – I’ve visited them in every major city in this state – working families, mothers and fathers, are going home to their children, seeing if they’re still in the car where they’ll sleep tonight.
Alexandra Marshall (Host): Hello and welcome to SPECTATOR TV Australia. I’m your host, online editor Alexandra Marshall. And today we are joined by Queensland Senator Malcolm Roberts. Senator, welcome to the show.
Senator ROBERTS: Thank you very much, and congratulations on being back on air with SPECTATOR TV.
Alexandra Marshall: Thank you so much, Senator. And also a big congratulations to you, because you have just been re-elected to the Senate. Are you excited about being the de facto opposition this time around?
Senator ROBERTS: Well, first of all, thank you to the many people who supported me and thanks for the vote of confidence, because it’s actually the third time I’ve been elected to the Senate and the second time I’ve been re-elected. So I’m very, very pleased with that. We are the de facto opposition because Liberal and Labor have basically introduced the same policies over the last – since 1975, particularly since John Howard, who started the Liberal-Labor Uni party. What’s happening Alexandra is that the Liberal Party introduces every major climate energy policy, for example, and the most destructive housing and immigration policies – they’re the ones who put in big Australia and the Labor Party has just come in and ramped it up. So One Nation is the only elected party that’s capable of dealing with reality. You know, we focus on the data, the hard facts and the cruel facts. We don’t run away from them and and we keep reminding them. We’re the only party that will stick up and stay say the truth. And in that sense, we’ve always been the true opposition.
Alexandra Marshall: Well, I’ve been hearing a lot of chatter about the endless silence from the Coalition. The election was a while ago and yet we hear nothing from them when major world events happen. So I’m guessing One Nation is looking forward to having policies as well as opinions.
Senator ROBERTS: Well, we’ve had the best policies. I can honestly say most of them came out of my office thanks to the staff in our office. But we’ve had the best policies I have ever seen of any political party at any time in Australian history.
Alexandra Marshall: Well Senator, the world did change over the weekend with President Donald Trump taking a pre-emptive strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities. Now regardless of what anybody thinks about this or what will happen next, has home defence of Australia become a critical policy for when you return to Canberra?
Senator ROBERTS: It has been since we’ve been in Canberra, Alexandra. And yes, it will be when we return to Canberra, because if a country can’t defend itself, it doesn’t matter what its policies are, it doesn’t matter at all – the Chinese Communist Party just sent warships down here. They circled our country. We didn’t have one of our own warships tailing them when they were starting to to do firing, firing practise. You know, we are exporting our coal to China to build steel for, for arming itself and making weapons. We can’t use the coal here as steel industry is shutting down because of the high energy costs. We are crippling ourselves and people are just laughing at us.
Alexandra Marshall: Well, Senator, there’s been a lot of criticism of Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and indeed our Foreign Minister Penny Wong regarding what’s going on in the global stage now, particularly Anthony Anthony Albanese’s performance at the G7. But when we talk about what’s going on there, has Australia’s position on the world stage been damaged by the way Labour has approached our situation in the world and let’s face it, one of our strongest allies, which is the United States?
Senator ROBERTS: Yes, unquestionably every country, including Australia, benefits when we have a good reputation. Everyone, after all, is usually happy to meet an Aussie overseas travelling. And you know, I know that when I was working and studying and travelling across the United States for a total of about five years and two visits, people love to hear Australians. Oh, I love your accent. But then they love the way we are so similar to Americans in our lifestyle and their values. They love to meet Australians. They’re laughing at us. When they look closely, when people overseas look closely, what we’re doing, they just laugh and ask if we’re serious about what what’s going on in this country. We’re crippling our manufacturing, crippling our energy sector and countries are saying, haven’t you learned anything from Spain? Haven’t you learned anything from from Germany? Haven’t you learned anything from the Europeans destroying? Haven’t you learned anything about Britain destroying itself? Haven’t you learned anything from Donald Trump saying no more solar and wind? I mean, these, you know, our coal, our oil, natural gas and our uranium reserves are probably the largest in the world. Certainly per capita we are the richest nation in the world. The UN has said so itself. And you know, I accuse them of lying, but that’s they’ve still got that fact right. Yet our power costs are sky high because we only export it. We can’t use it here.
Alexandra Marshall: Well, why the while there is a silence from most of our elected officials, which is kind of concerning given the state of the world. One Nation leader Pauline Hanson did release a statement. Now in that statement, she says, and I’m going to quote and read from this. This is directed toward our Anthony Albanese. Your government’s position continues to be inadequate against the danger of radical Islam in Australia, which puts the lives of citizens at risk. Now that is what Pauline Hanson has said and she is saying this in relation to Australia’s immigration policy and calling for there to be no more visas issued to Iranians at this point in time when there is a risk of a regime change and more extreme ideological views coming into the country. As Senator, there’s also a mass migration disaster taking place in the cities around Australia right now. Would you like to see migration and immigration, the Prime Minister put a tighter hold and control on that, particularly given the geopolitical climate we are in right now?
Senator ROBERTS: Yes, that’s a very simple answer to give. Yes. What’s more, Alexandra, we have asked him for that and he’s given us given us that, that response, but he broke it and he lied about it straight afterwards. We asked him after his first year in office, he imported 518,000 new immigrants, net migration 518,000 over half a million. And then when we exposed that and told him how much damage he was doing. We’ve got people homeless from every, every provincial city in this, this state of ours. We should be the richest in the world. We’ve got 10s of thousands of people homeless. You don’t have to go far to see it. And when we raised that, he said, OK, well, we’ll make sure immigration is lower the following year – it was bloody higher. Now we’ve always discussed issues, Alexandra, with the quality and quantity of immigration, the number of people and the type and quality of people in terms of their ability to contribute. Straight away he’s, he’s bringing in people that. What are the figures now – 0.6% have construction experience and will go into housing. They’re supposed to build houses for the other 99.4%, you know, excluding tourists, there are two and a half million migrants in the country on temporary visas. That’s around about one and a half million houses that we need just for them. And that’s far too many people for our roads, our hospitals and the number of houses we have far too many. And what’s happening is that good people, working families, I should calm down because working families, I’ve visited them in every major provincial city in this this state, working families, mothers and fathers are going home to their children, seeing if they’re still in the car, where they’ll sleep tonight. Where do they go to the toilet? Where do they shower? This is this is a barn. Good working families.
Alexandra Marshall: And even in city suburbs, we would not expect to see it. Senator, I myself have personally stood in line at house inspections with over 60 people. And you know, there’s there’s so little hope for people trying to find somewhere to live. And everywhere you do find is ridiculously expensive for what is essentially a shoebox. But Senator, I want to talk.
Senator ROBERTS: Alexandra. It’s also another fact that that the reason immigration is so high is to hide the fact that we are in a per capita recession, which is the real measure of a recession. So we are in a per capita recession, which is a recession. But the definition of a recession, as you know just as well as I do, is two terms, two quarters of negative growth overall in the economy. And they’ve stayed out of that by inflating the economy with people, inflating demand, raising our gross domestic product. So it’s barely over 0. And that way they stay out of officially being called a recession. That’s what they’re doing. They don’t care how many people are homeless, how many people are living in misery, how many people are living with with threats of violence over their heads in our country because they just want to make sure that they’re not officially classified as the treasurer and Prime Minister who brought upon us the recession. And Scott Morrison needs to be held partly accountable for that, too.
Alexandra Marshall: So strange that socialists are lacking empathy, Senator, but that does appear to be the case. Now, look, domestic security and national security are intrinsically linked with energy security and mineral security. That is how we protect a grid, how we create energy and how we manage our natural resources, which are of course finite. Now, under the previous governments of both Coalition and Labour, Australia has been outsourcing not only all of our coal and oil and gas, which we sell off into other countries, particularly China, but our energy grid which is becoming increasingly reliant on foreign powers to function. And not only that, it’s becoming more and more fragile. If you were given the absolute power, senator in Canberra and you can make a change to Australia’s energy condition, what would you like to see happen as soon as possible?
Senator ROBERTS: First of all, the message that you just said needs to be articulated across the country. We need to have energy. Energy has been on a relentless downward trend. Energy price has been on the relentless downward trend in real terms from about 1850 to now and sorry until about 1996 and the start of the Howard government when that was artificially increased. The important point is that decreasing costs of energy in real terms are the the powerhouse that drives human progress. So what happened with John Howard coming in with his renewable energy targets, stealing farmers property rights, National Electricity Market putting in in place first policy for carbon dioxide tax. Yes, Liberal were the first to have that policy. What he did was he reversed human progress and made it more expensive to for for energy. Now the important thing in that is that manufacturing over the last few decades, the number one cost factor in manufacturing is energy prices. The lower your energy price, the lower your manufacturing costs. What we have done is artificially inflated, raised the cost of energy. We’ve destroyed our manufacturing and guess where it’s going? It’s going to China. First of all, we’re we’re subsidising the Chinese to make solar and wind solar panels and wind turbines. We’re subsidising them to import them, we’re subsidising to transport them. We’re subsidising them to erect them. We’re subsidising to run them. We’re subsidising after 15 years for them to replace the damn things when a coal fired power station lasts 60 years at least. And So what we’re doing, taking that subsidy under our electricity costs, is driving the cost of electricity to make it unaffordable for manufacturing. So our manufacturers go to China and manufacturing jobs go to China. Our electricity becomes much more expensive. We’re becoming a third world country in the blink of an eye and nobody seems to be caring about it. So it’s very simple if we want Australia to win – we ditch net zero. We use the coal, the oil, the gas and the uranium reserves in Australia for Australians. China is using our coal to cheaply power its manufacturing industry. It’ll cripple our manufacturing. It’s crippling our farmers. During a drought, The last drought we had farmers in North Queensland, they personally told me farmers in central QLD and farmers in southern Queensland did not plant hot fodder crops because the cost of pumping water was too high. In a drought, no fodder crops. This is insane.
Alexandra Marshall: It’s often difficult to explain to the younger generation exactly what the rising price of energy is impacting in their lives. One great way that I’ve found is to turn the lights off or turn the power off and see how many things would no longer work. In a society a lmost nothing work with our energy and that’s everything which this green tax is being added to. But you know, the Nationals are being sent down a little rabbit hole about trying to workout how much net zero will cost. Personally, I think they’ve been sent on a bit of busy work by the Liberals who don’t really want to talk about net zero. But as you indicated, I think AI has done a few calculations and it thinks that net 0 cost Australia 9 trillion or something in that order to fully maintain and change our grid. But that does not include losses to businesses. It does not include replacing the grid every 15 years when everything breaks. That’s a a conservative estimate, but my question is could the real cost of net 0 senator be our national security.
Senator ROBERTS: Definitely is. Undoubtedly it is. And by the way, on the cost estimates for for net zero, Peter Dutton, Dutton said the Coalition has estimated the cost of $1.3 trillion. An independent study from three universities in this country estimated 1.5 trillion, Bloomberg 1.9 trillion. And as as you said, when you include the cost of jobs, businesses, replacing the grid every 15 years, it’s 9 trillion. That was developed by AI, which is just taking some of the facts that are freely available. The cost to Australia though, is national security, $9 trillion is how much capital will be needed in the next 35 years. According to Net 0, the most comprehensive start. Sorry, according to Net 0 Australia, the most comprehensive study to date by the University of Melbourne, the University of Queensland and Princeton IN America, that’s $260 billion a year, Alexandra, that gets tacked onto our electricity costs and our taxation. Australia’s entire military budget is 56 billion. That’s 0.6% of the of the costs of, of Net 0. And part of net 0 is that we can’t use coal and make steel in Australia. You can’t make, you can’t make steel using the coal that we have. The best cooking coal, the best steel grade coal, coal in the world. And Australia is shipping that to China where they’re building warships with it and munitions with it. We can’t use it here. I mean, people know that. That’s an absolute insanity. The true cost to our country and our way of life, Australia’s way of life, standard of living, cost of living, affordability, lifestyle, safety, security, our children’s future. Everything is being decimated, jobs, lifestyle out the door because Liberal in which Liberal Nationals which introduced this and Labor Party which ramped it up in each occasion are crippling this country and the Nationals. I believe that some of the Nationals are genuinely afraid of net 0. Some of them who are afraid of net zero and wanted to stop actually advocated for us to cut carbon dioxide. So they’re culpable in in in some instances, but they’ve woken up because because One Nation has put the pressure to them. We’re the only party that’s calling out net zero as insanity, the only party that’s saying it’s it’s detrimental to our to our health of our country, but we’re the only ones actually opposed to it and what they’re trying to do is deceptive, but we’ll call them out on it.
Alexandra Marshall: It’s quite extraordinary that Jim Chalmers and Chris Bowen and Anthony Albanese and the whole Labour Kit and Gaboodle are going to war against carbon, which is the fundamental building block of life and they have a defence budget to match which is of course the spending on renewable energy. It is an extraordinary amount of money being wasted on a wall that does not exist anywhere except in their own UN driven fantasy world. But you did touch on a topic there before, Senator, which was about the resources that Australia has, these precious resources. Now, we often hear that Australia’s economy runs on the back of the mining industry. Now that is true, But when the world enters a dangerous geopolitical footing, the basic resources that a country possesses are worth more than what they can be exported as. Now, given this, should Australia be more careful about how much of our limited resources we are shipping to places like China on the cheap instead of getting the maximum value out of this of this resources? Do we need to be more careful about how we manage lithium, iron, silicon, coal, oil, gas, gold, everything.
Senator ROBERTS: Copper, silver, zinc, lead? Yes, we should be more careful. Number one, we should get more money for it that we, we are the world’s third largest exporter of natural gas. Qatar is the second largest I believe and the United States is the largest. We get ****** all for it. Our coal, we get ****** all for that, except in Queensland now we get, we get massive royalties, but we’re still not not using them properly. We’re still allowing the export of valuable cooking coal and and that’s fine, but we need to make sure we have access to it here and have a steel industry that can be supported. That’s why we pushed Capricorn Steel building a transcontinental railway line in the north north of Australia just above the Cap Tropic of Capricorn to have steel mills in the iron ore and have steel mills in the West and have steel mills in the cooking coal mines in in the east and ship the the coal West and the iron ore East, we need to build an iron ore. We need to think strategically and rebuild our on our industry. We can be and they’re hard, the customers for this and hard investors looking at this, including Australian investors. We need to be the world’s largest producers of steel and iron and the best quality and that is easily and easily achieved with the proposals we are saying. We have got so much coal, so much iron ore, so much gas, so much uranium and we look like we could be the one of the world’s largest producers of rare earth metals. But these and other metals we need to be considering strategically and to think long term for our country. You know, we have enough resources to last our country for thousands of years, but not if we let other countries plunder it while getting none of the benefit. We need to export. We need to identify the best resources for ourselves and we need to get a fair price for our export exports. You know, why would Australia want to invade? Why would China want to invade Australia when they already own airports, mines, houses and water and some of our electricity networks? What’s left for them to take? They’ve been buying it. We should use our resources for ourselves first and export what’s what’s what remains.
Alexandra Marshall: And finally, Senator, the One Nation has been making recommendations about defence honours and the Awards Appeals Tribunal. And it says he would like to review all nominations for Distinguished Service Crosses and medals to senior officers between 1991 and 2012, among a whole other raft of recommendations. This is a very interesting series of ideas that One Nation has. What is the purpose and significance behind One Nation’s recommendations in this field?
Senator ROBERTS: Well, it’s really simple when it comes to defence the critical foundation of our defence strategy is the quality of our people and that has been driven by mateship – that is being eroded Alexandra. We have a we had a proud Defence Force who no longer have the high morale they had and that has been crippled by the lack of accountability in the top brass. They have been flagrantly abusing their privileges, their titles, the honours and award system and their positions. We have the the the head of the Australian Defence Force, the Chief of the Defence forces. He is now paid 3 times what the American equivalent is paid. The American equivalent has 10s of thousands of many times more servicemen and women, has nuclear capable ships, planes. He has so many weapons and he can do so much damage and yet he’s paid 1/3 what our chief of defence forces is. This is ridiculous. We are overpaying our senior officers. We’re giving them far too much leniency. They’re not being held accountable. They are destroying the morale. And you know, we plan the well, the government plans to pay hundreds of billions of dollars for equipment like orcas submarines, the Hunter class frigates, combat reconnaissance vehicles, F35 jets. What the hell can they do without good morale in amongst the people who fly them and ship them and pilot them and, and arm them? The retention crisis now is from low morale. So we don’t have people to drive that fancy equipment. We’ve got a contractor on over a billion dollars income payment that we are outsourcing to recruit. Why the hell should we do that? Under them the recruit retention has gone down. Under them the recruit intake has gone down. We won’t have anyone to drive that fancy equipment. And when we do put people in that equipment, how the hell can we have ensure they have high morale when they’re being gutted by the inconsistencies, the hypocrisy and the deceit of of of the top brass. The ADF people are leaving because they don’t feel valued and that’s what my medals inquiry looked at. There’s a two tier system in the Defence Force at this moment and that needs to be addressed if we want people to win. The overarching thing about Australian leadership is that people in Australia will follow good leaders. If they’re not good leaders they will crucify them. And what we’re heading for here is, is real embarrassment for Australia’s Defence Force because we are not keeping up with the standards in the Australian military. And that is due solely and entirely to two groups of people, the top brass in our country and the and the Liberal and Labour Uni Party, defence ministers and bureaucrats that are just ******** on basically the soldiers. And we need to stop that. The soldiers, the airmen and the and the Navy sailors, we need to stop that. Need to call it call, call a spade a spade and get on with fixing the Defence Force morale and the Defence Force strategy.
Alexandra Marshall: Well, Senator, there has never been a more important time in our modern history for Australia’s defence forces to feel as if they are being looked after, particularly the young men and women who are on the ground defending Australia’s interests here at home and abroad. So I’d like to thank you very much, Senator Malcolm Roberts for joining us here today on Spectator TV.
Senator ROBERTS: You’re welcome. Keep up the good work, Alexandra.
https://img.youtube.com/vi/0ZjDDvv3LF8/maxresdefault.jpg7201280Senator Malcolm Robertshttps://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/One-Nation-Logo1-300x150.pngSenator Malcolm Roberts2025-07-02 09:50:122025-07-02 09:50:22Australia’s Wake-Up Call: No Defence, No Homes, No Future?
I spoke with Brent on 2SM about to the recent and concerning medical emergencies involving commercial airline pilots and the disturbing lack of accountability from CASA regarding the impact of vaccine mandates on aviation safety.
We need proper cardiac screening and transparency about potential vaccine injuries among pilots. The public deserves to know the truth about what’s happening in our skies.
CASA’s wilful blindness to these serious safety issues must end.
Transcript
Brent: I said we were going to be talking to Malcolm Roberts this morning. He is on the phone. Two recent medical emergencies involving commercial airline pilots, one who collapsed in the cockpit, another who suffered chest pains mid-flight, have sparked fresh questions around aviation safety and pilot health post-Covid. Now, pilots, if you remember, were required to be vaccinated during the pandemic. Remember, no jab, no job. That’s what they were saying. No jab, no job. But could there be lingering medical issues going undetected? And are the regulators doing enough to stay ahead of it? Senator Malcolm Roberts raised the matter during Senate’s estimates. He joins me now. Good morning, Malcolm.
Malcolm Roberts: Good morning, Brent. How are you?
Brent: I’m well. Thank you for taking the time in your busy schedule. We really appreciate it. Okay?
Malcolm Roberts: You’re welcome. Pleasure.
Brent: When you asked about these incidents in Senate estimates, what was CASA’s response and did you get the sense that they’re really taking it seriously?
Malcolm Roberts: No, they’re definitely not taking it seriously. Their response echoed or exuded the word indignant. They’re indignant. I’ve asked them many questions about the vaccine injuries, the jab injuries, Fred, and they have been willfully blind, in my opinion. That’s my honest opinion. They have given me nothing. When I first asked about the jabs being mandated by Qantas and Virgin, they said, “Well, that’s their business.” They are responsible for any new medication coming into the airline sector to be tested at low altitude. That has not been done. When I asked them on whose advice they ignored Qantas and Virgin’s jabs, they said, “The experts.” On whose advice did you basically approve the vaccines? The experts. Which experts? The experts. Which experts? The experts. Which experts? The international experts. I never got a name. They will not take responsibility, that’s why I say they’re willfully blind. And we know from pilots, Fred, that there are many with serious problems.
Brent: Pilots already undergo regular medical checks, but is there a case for adding cardiac screening now, just as a precaution, given what we know post-Covid?
Malcolm Roberts: Yes, and we know that in states, the United States of America, the screening levels were increased considerably just to get more people through. I know from talking to a lawyer who’s helping a whistleblower prosecute Pfizer, that he was told by a Southwest Airlines pilot and Southwest Airlines is the biggest domestic carrier in the United States with about 23% of the market, almost a quarter. They tell me that 1,000 Southwest Airlines pilots failed their medical.
Brent: A thousand?
Malcolm Roberts: A thousand. We worked that out on back of envelopes stuff to be about 5%.
Brent: Gosh.
Malcolm Roberts: 1/20th. So there’s a serious issue, and we’ve heard from Australian pilots that there are people who are damaged who are flying, but they won’t report because they could lose their jobs.
Brent: The U.S. Defence study back in 2021, it raised concerns about myocarditis in young fit people including pilots. Shouldn’t that have been a trigger for more action here? Malcolm?
Malcolm Roberts: Definitely. But no matter what we raised with CASA, they just ignore it. They ignore the regulations about testing, requiring testing of new medications at low pressure, low and [inaudible 00:03:25] high altitude. These are significant rules that they’re just ignoring. They’re not taking responsibility for doing their job. I find CASA and in particular, it’s chief expense to be uncaring, and I don’t think they’re doing their job properly. That’s my honest opinion. They just seem to run away from their responsibilities. She is the top of the heap when it comes to airline safety in this country and she, in my opinion, she’s not behaving responsibly.
Brent: U.S. flight surgeon, Teresa Long sounded early warnings about health, heart risks with these mRNA vaccines. Malcolm, has there been any similar discussion or concern raised by aviation doctors in Australia?
Malcolm Roberts: Pilots have raised it with me. Former pilots who refused to get the jab who still stay in touch with their former colleagues have raised it with me. They’re very, very concerned about this. Very concerned. There have been doctors and pilot officials who’ve raised it with me, as well.
Brent: Do you think the public would be reassured if little word, big meaning, CASA simply looked at a short-term cardiac screening programme for pilots just to be on the safe side of things?
Malcolm Roberts: Yes. And what’s the fear about this? If a pilot is found to be liable or more prone or has a heart problem, then the public is going to be safe, safer by giving him treatment. That’s the first thing. If they find no one at all, and I don’t think that’ll be the case, then at least we’ve had that confirmed and the public can be at ease. But one of the things is they’re afraid to the whole, when I say they, it’s not just CASA, it’s the whole health establishment are afraid to do that because once they find the data themselves, they can’t ignore it, then they’d have to admit to what they did was inhuman by mandating untested, not properly tested vaccines in this country. So people are just burying it. I mean that sincerely. People in the health departments there at state and federal level, health agencies like APRA they’re burying this. They don’t want to.
Brent: So is it fair to say that CASA-
Malcolm Roberts: I hope we’re not going to be burying passengers soon.
Brent: Is it fair to say that CASA is just deliberately covering up myocarditis cases?
Malcolm Roberts: I would say that they’re in group think, they don’t want to admit it and it’s willful blindness. So you interpret that as deliberate in my view, they’re being deliberately negligent, which is deliberately not wanting to look at it because of what they might find, and I don’t think they know it, but medical authorities know that there’s a lot of heart problems with the vaccine with those vaccinated with the Covid shots.
Brent: Senator, this isn’t about panic, is it? It’s about trust.
Malcolm Roberts: Absolutely. It’s about trust, responsibility, and accountability. And the federal government, state government, we have got a problem in this country. The number one issue in this country, Fred, is that there is very low level of accountability. When I square up at Senate estimates, I’m holding them accountable and the liberal and labour governments, which I’ve had experience with both, they’re not on the side of the public. The number one problem in this country is shoddy governance that is based on ignoring the hard data, the hard evidence,
Brent: Trying to dust it away, hide it under the rug, as they say. Look, more transparency and a few extra checks would go a long way in keeping people confident when they simply step on a plane.
Malcolm Roberts: Yes, we’ve had senior pilots telling us that they admittedly retired rather than face the mandates or who voluntarily just refused to accept the mandates. They are very, very concerned and we know that the heart injuries globally from these shots, and it’s not just Astrazeneca, it’s also Moderna, also Pfizer. They have seriously raised a sign, raised the incidence of heart problems.
Brent: No jab and no job. That was the saying during this whole thing. No jab, no job, so we lost lots of excellent pilots. May I ask you, in your experience and the people that you talked to, have you found that because pilots lost their jobs, there’s a shortage of good pilots? Are pilots that didn’t take the jab, are they now getting their jobs back?
Malcolm Roberts: I don’t know. I make statements only based on data and I haven’t got the data with me on that, but I do know, I know the data that we have lost many, many fine nurses, paramedics, ambulancemen, doctors, firees, police officers. We have got some people who deliberately avoided the mandates and stood down or resigned or worse, stood down. We had a bloody nurse pregnant, stood down in January. Some of these places have still got mandates on and it’s basically inhuman. They didn’t test the shots properly, Fred, we know that they didn’t test them, yet, they mandated them and they said basically to people employed in all those industries and services that I just listed, they said basically, “If you want to feed your kids, you’ll get the shots.” That is inhuman. That is just disgraceful.
Brent: Did you say you had a nurse? I just want to repeat this, you had a nurse in January of 2025, she lost her job. Is that right? Because she hadn’t had a jab in 2025.
Malcolm Roberts: Sorry, January, 2024. My mistake. January, 2024.
Brent: Okay.
Malcolm Roberts: Yes. And she was basically suspended at work, off work suspended at various times in the previous three years since the jabs came in, the mandates came in and then they sacked her.
Brent: Gosh, we’ve just got to get rid of these mandates.
Malcolm Roberts: And the injections that were approved provisionally for people in this country, the medical authorities in this country are now saying healthy infants, children’s and adolescents aged less than 18 years of age are not recommended to receive Covid-19 vaccine.
Brent: Absolutely. They’ve changed their mind.
Malcolm Roberts: Yeah, so we’re going to see the TGA, we’re going to see APRA blacklisted from social media like I was suspended for saying exactly that healthy infants, children, adolescents should not be given the shots, I was blacklisted, suspended from social media. Are they going to be suspended? There’s not even a fuss about it. We know that Astrazeneca’s been withdrawn because of the court decision in the United Kingdom.
We need a royal commission. We need a royal commission to get to the bottom of this because there is a lot of lies being told, a lot of inhuman decisions, and now we find out that so many things, the premiers are telling us so many things in the Covid response, a fraudulent Covid response, are wrong and they’re not based on the science. They’ve admitted that, and we knew that because the different states had different approaches and some states had different approaches from one day to the next. They didn’t follow the data. There is no scientific evidence, empirical hard evidence. There’s been no serious testing. Pfizer cancels its tests early because they were killing people in their own test group who’d got the shots, and I asked the TGA, the Therapeutic Goods Administration responsible for provisionally, approving the shots in the first place, what testing they did. Oh, Senator Roberts, we didn’t do any testing. We relied upon the FDA in America, the Food and Drug Administration, which does America’s approvals.
And we knew at that time, Fred, at the time, the TGA told me that, we knew that the FDA had not done any tests and relied purely on Pfizer’s evidence. Pfizer’s evidence, and Pfizer is now being questioned seriously about the efficacy of the test. We’ve had tens of thousands of, let’s be blunt homicides, they are homicides, in this country and millions worldwide homicides because the testing has not been done properly at all. What testing was done was not proper at all. It was very, very brief.
Brent: All right, Malcolm Roberts, we’ll leave it there today. As always, thank you for making yourself available to talk on the Chris Smith morning show. Chris will talk to you again. No doubt. Keep up the good fight, Malcolm.
https://img.youtube.com/vi/2vWM0fq7VzI/maxresdefault.jpg7201280Senator Malcolm Robertshttps://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/One-Nation-Logo1-300x150.pngSenator Malcolm Roberts2025-06-26 17:34:402025-06-26 17:34:59Time for Transparency: Aviation Safety Demands Answers from CASA
Globalists keeping urging Australia to send our next generation overseas to die in a foreign land in a foreign conflict.
One Nation believes we should prioritise the defence of Australia, rather than involving ourselves in wars in Ukraine or the Middle East – again.
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Senator ROBERTS: Putin does something that Donald Trump does very well. They both stand up for their country.
Sally Turner: The war on Ukraine has been going on for years. Australia has given over $1.5 billion in aid. So do you think that support should continue?
Senator ROBERTS: No, not at all. Right from the very start of this conflict, I happened by accident to be sitting in the Senate and then we saw people from all parties file into the Senate, one after the other, and they spoke about how we need to hit this bastard Putin, how we need to turn the tyrant back. Everyone was warmongering, and then I stood up near the end of the debate and just said, I think what we need to do here is pause – just pause. No one’s asking questions, Sally-Ann. That’s the problem. We just blindly follow the United States into one conflict after another. We should not go barging into some European conflict at all. We need to concentrate and focus on our home defence.
Sally Turner: Is there a time or a situation where you think, oh yeah, we should actually help out in that conflict? Or do you think Australia should never get involved?
Senator ROBERTS: We should not be going overseas as a general rule I follow, and when we do, we need solid plans and exit plans and quantifiable goals, and we need reviews regularly. I accept that the government must make a quick decision sometimes, but we must have a three monthly review of the progress, how the goals are going. We don’t have that in this country. We jeopardise people’s lives and there’s no accountability. And I mean that word no and I mean that word accountability. One of the last conflicts we were in was Iraq, I mean, we went there on solemn promises from Tony Blair in Britain, George W Bush in America and John Howard in Australia that there were weapons of mass destruction, and that is the reason we went in there. All of them later subsequently admitted that there were never any weapons of mass destruction. They all lied. There’s no accountability. We need that.
Joel Jammal: Ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 25 of the Ark podcast. I have missed you guys. Just come back from the US watching exactly what happened at CPAC USA in Washington DC, my first time being to America – my first time seeing snow. It was amazing. It was actually really cool. I’ll get into a bit of that later in other videos where I’ll go into a bit more depth, but today I’m joined by a very special guest – The Honorable Senator Malcolm Roberts. Malcolm, welcome to the Ark Podcast.
Senator ROBERTS: Thank you very much Joel. Good to be here at last now.
Joel Jammal: Malcolm, I mentioned to a few people that you were coming on and I was obviously very keen to have our chat and people know we’re friends. People know we like to have chats every now and then on your Friday Q&A’s, which are very popular, but the big elephant in the room that I’ve addressed previously about the the hate speech bill. I wanted to give you first the opportunity before we get into it. Mate, what happened to that because a lot of people I’m coming up to in the Freedom Movement they’re like – why did Malcolm and Pauline not show up for that vote, for that hate speech Bill vote. Mate, what happened with that?
Senator ROBERTS: Well it was difficult. We had a discussion as to whether we oppose or abstain and I’ll explain why we abstained. But before doing so, the pile on that resulted from Senator Rennick’s lie when he said that we joined with the Liberal and Labor parties in supporting the hate crimes bill was a complete lie. Then the pile on from the Libertarians and the pile on from other parties was just disgraceful, but I want to compliment five people, yourself included, because you took a neutral stance and there are others – Topher Field, John Ruddick, Ralph Babet and Jim Wilmott – for their civility and their honesty. They didn’t pile on. They showed some character in abstaining from criticising us. So normally Joel, what happens is that if, as in happened in this case, the Labor party or the Liberal Party bring something in, rush it in, don’t have proper committee scrutiny of it, don’t have proper time for us to scrutinise it then guillotine the vote, then we just straight oppose it. It’s got to be very very outstanding to support a bill that goes through that mess. So, we were inclined to oppose it and then Ralph and a couple of others came up to me and said what are you doing. I said we’re abstaining. What? You’ve got to support it – got to oppose it and I said no mate, there’s a logic to what we’re doing. Because as you know, Pauline’s pretty strong on this kind of stuff as am I and it’s important to understand that it’s the Hate Crimes Bill – not the hate speech bill. It’s the Hate Crimes Bill and we said we cannot support it – this is just a discussion between Pauline and myself – we just cannot support this because of the language, because some of the assumption, some of the context of the bill, we just could not support it. It was a dog of a bill, plus it was bulldozed through the Senate and then Pauline said – you know, we got to be careful, because we were clearly going to stand on our own. That didn’t bother us. It doesn’t bother Pauline and me to be the only two in the Senate. So, we had – it was a stitch up. The Liberal and Labor had about 60 and the Greens all combined, and the Nationals combined to have about 66 of the 76 votes, so there’s no way we could win, no way we could influence the vote at all, so without having said anything, we wanted to send some signals because we believe, and I think most Australians would believe, that the use of physical force or the threat of violence or the threat of physical force is abhorrent and Australians don’t put up with that, so we couldn’t let that go just by opposing it, but we couldn’t support the bill so we had to oppose the way it was done and the way it was introduced. So we said okay let’s send a signal to Australians because we know there are people, the groups, and I haven’t got my notes with me, but there are many groups including people who are disabled, here they are. There’s sexual orientation, gender identity, intersex status, disability, disease, religion – many groups in Australia who are currently under threat, physical violence and physical threats. We’re not going to accept that. Hate crimes are real and they are being exercised on people, and so we wanted to send a signal saying we do absolutely support the protection of those people. Every Australian has a right to live in security and safety. So we wanted to say that, but we couldn’t support the bill because of the reasons I just mentioned – the language, the looseness – so we said well bugger, everyone’s going to expect us to oppose it, but we have to send a signal to those people that are looking for support, right?
Joel Jammal: So you do actually believe that there needs to be, there was a lot of good things about the bill now, but there’s a lot of bad about the bill as well. So you were sort of in an awkward position where it was like look, we don’t support the worst kinds of excesses on this bill on free speech but at the same time, you actually needed some work and the government wasn’t really working with you – they just sort of guillotining through. Is that right?
Senator ROBERTS: Correct. So normally what would happen is sometimes I’ll get up in the Senate and talk about some of the positive aspects of a bill – not this bill – but positive aspects of a bill and then say however, we’re going to oppose it for this reason.
Joel Jammal: Right.
Senator ROBERTS: Or I might say there’s some merit in this bill, there’s some dogs in this bill, we’re going to abstain.
Joel Jammal: Right.
Senator ROBERTS: We didn’t get a chance to speak.
Joel Jammal: No speeches.
Senator ROBERTS: No speeches at all.
Joel Jammal: No speeches, right.
Senator ROBERTS: And the core part of the bill is – a person commits an offense, if the person threatens to use force or violence against a group. The targeted group is distinguished by race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, intersex status, disability including disease, nationality, national or ethnic origin, or political opinion, so it also applies to political opinion, and a reasonable member of the targeted group would fear that the threat will be carried out and the threat if carried out would threaten the peace, order and good government of the Commonwealth. Well that makes sense to me, but then the language was so sloppy and so loose.
Joel Jammal: Yeah.
Senator ROBERTS: And we couldn’t support it. It was too vague.
Joel Jammal: Like you didn’t have to prove intent of the actual person that’s saying something as well, you just had to prove that the person felt hurt that received that comment.
Senator ROBERTS: Well no, that the person would genuinely feel fear that the threat will be carried out. So it can’t be just a reckless –
Joel Jammal: Right. That’s insane. That’s insane! So Pauline’s comments, when you guys were at that press conference, because from an outsider –
Senator ROBERTS: I was there.
Joel Jammal: You were there. From an outsider’s perspective, from me just sort of following what was going on, we’re about to kick off a campaign, we’re about to kick off a campaign for a big election, and it kind of has already started. Albanese and Dutton –
Senator ROBERTS: They’re copying our policies already. Both the two tired old parties are copying four of our policies. Pretending to.
Joel Jammal: Yeah exactly, like the alcohol excise.
Senator ROBERTS: Immigration, student caps.
Joel Jammal: So and they’re already campaigning on the public dime. What it seemed to me on that day – you guys, as part of your campaigning, had a press conference. You had, in my view, more pressing things actually going on that day and that’s what I remarked to people in the last episode before I left. I said look, Malcolm wasn’t sipping pina coladas in his office, it’s not like he was not doing anything else. He just knew that this vote was going to go 41 to 6, which is I think what it ended up being, which is not possible guys, it’s not possible to win that. It’s just not. And guillotining debate, guillotining –
Senator ROBERTS: And opposed all the guillotining which sends a very strong signal. Sometimes guillotine is necessary because people don’t understand why it’s done, but the Senate is the controller of what happens in the Senate and so sometimes a guillotine is necessary when it’s been debated plenty and it’s just one party trying to talk it out and stop the vote, so we will, everyone will sometimes support a guillotine but it’s very very rare. So, when you do something like this with a serious bill with …. to it, then you just, we opposed all the bills, so basically we were sending a signal. We opposed the guillotines. We basically opposed the bill. We were sending that signal right the way through.
Joel Jammal: Right. So when Pauline, who was doing a press conference for something completely unrelated, was asked an off-the-cuff question which, you won’t say this but I will say this, she doesn’t do off the cuff very well. She tends to get her back up a little bit about it. She’s not, she’s not a Rhode Scholar. I’ll put it that way.
Senator ROBERTS: She’s very bright. I’ll take exception to that. She is extremely intelligent.
Joel Jammal: I totally agree, but in terms of debating techniques and like I’m just saying, she’s no Rhode Scholar in that sense, she’s actually more a street smart sort of person. It’s a compliment in a way, but I can see how that answer she gave was misunderstood by people and I’m just watching this slow motion train crash knowing Pauline’s intent on that and I can see she wanted to deliver some actual results for some of those groups you were talking about and I can see how this bill with a few amendments could actually be quite a good bill.
Senator ROBERTS: It needed a lot of work on it.
Joel Jammal: It needed a lot of work.
Senator ROBERTS: Basic thrust is fine because it’s a Hate Crimes Bill not a hate speech bill, which is what Clive Palmer misleadingly reported it as and others in the debate.
Joel Jammal: No absolutely and so I look at this whole situation and I’m just like okay so this is what happened, this is the miscommunication between people and I feel very, this is going to come out very strange coming from a 27 yr old but I do feel very fatherly and protective of this sort of Freedom Movement including all of the freedom senators. And you know the different organisations and groups and podcasters and so when I see everyone fighting, it hurts, it actually feels like your family’s fighting, your mom and dad are having a fight. It’s terrible to see and so, then I see the opportunism from these other parties and these senators and these potential senators and candidates running and I’m just like this is a disaster. I mean we are not looking like a winning side. We’re going into an election, we need to be consolidating our efforts, consolidating our energies so that we can be one force just like the Greens are on the left. We need to become one force.
Senator ROBERTS: Exactly.
Joel Jammal: And that’s why I didn’t appreciate that whole saga with everyone and that’s where I’m coming from when I’m looking at all this because like I’ve just come back from America. I’ve seen the sense of coming together. They had Trump build an amazing coalition between RFK and Tulsi Gabbard and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswarmy.
Senator ROBERTS: They all want the truth and they all want to fix America. That’s why RFK came in.
Joel Jammal: Absolutely and I’m looking at that spirit of camaraderie and coming together against this Goliath of a foe and I’m like okay great, so that’s the winning attitude we need to have, where are we at, and then this is what we’re doing and I’m like –
Senator ROBERTS: I could tell you’re concerned and I appreciate the way you spoke. It was very well done. So I don’t look at you as a 27 yr old, I look at you as a human, a mature human, very understanding of politics but you raised two points that I’d like to cover. One was the mandatory sentences. I can read out something from Pauline but I was there standing next to her – we actually posted about this – and by the way, I’ll get to that other point in a minute, but Pauline, our policies were introduced into the News Corp papers in Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and maybe Adelaide I think and they were phenomenally well received and the comments below the articles from everyday Australians were amazing, just stunning and that caused a lot of turmoil amongst some other minor parties who were quite frankly jealous. We worked that out. They were like, what the hell do we do now they? They were thinking that, but Pauline she’s never one to back away from something and the policies were so well received that it was a funny conference, media conference, because no one was asking a question about the policies. Pauline gave a little speech, I said a couple of words and then she said “where are your questions” and there are only two journalists and they arrived late. The rest were all cameramen and so one of the cameraman, Pauline looked at the cameraman and when you have Pauline’s eyes on you, you do something you know. He asked a couple of sensible questions because they’re no journalists and we worked out later why the journalists weren’t there and that was because how could you possibly tear holes in these policies. So anyway, the cameraman asked a couple of questions and then the two journalists arrived Probin and somebody else from Sky I think, and they asked questions about Gaza and about, what was the other one? Oh, mandatory sentencing. Not the Hate Crimes Bill, just the mandatory sentencing and Pauline has long thought that mandatory sentencing is not good except for terrorism, where it’s necessary because some judges are just weak and so she explained that and she said yes I support it under certain circumstances but she basically said that she would – the bill had just been thrust upon her, been rushed through, and she had no time to look at it which is the absolute truth. Our office was still dissecting it and so she left it open because that was the only thing she could do. So that was one thing. The second thing that I want to talk about is we agreed exactly with you, so even though there were lies being told by the Libertarian party and by Senator Rennick and Clive Palmer later that day, we said we’re not going to get into a dust up because this is just a, come on it’s just a shit fight – everyone loses in a shit fight, so we zipped our lip and said just let it all subside a little bit but it didn’t stop me talking about it on Saturday night 2 days later at a function, nor the following week. We just waited for the heat to come out of it because no matter what we said the people who are incensed by Senator Rennick’s lie and some of the comments that the Libertarians were making, there’s no way you could pacify them. It’s just stupid. You don’t argue with it, with people who are crazed and then bit by bit we started realising and people started realising and they’re waking up and they’re saying hang on a minute, you guys have been lied about here and then we saw the people waking themselves. But then we came out and explained it in full. So, I’m happy to do that.
Joel Jammal: It’s astonishing to me –
Senator ROBERTS: I mean we did not want want to cause a fight in the Freedom Party. So we abstained. Because we also knew that it would be like talking to a madman.
Joel Jammal: It’s astonishing because I look at this and I’m just like Malcolm and Pauline between them, I don’t know how long – how many years have you guys both been serving in the parliament?
Senator ROBERTS: Pauline served three in the House of Reps, then she served six and one that’s seven, that’s 10 years for her. I’ve served one and 7 and a half.
Joel Jammal: So you know we’re we’re looking at you know almost 20 years of service and voting records and this one vote, this one vote, you know people were just so willing to just throw it out. I’m just like guys if this is how we treat our veterans for God’s sake, for God’s sake. And it’s just, cause –
Senator ROBERTS: Well, the other thing –
Joel Jammal: And again, it wasn’t the politicians that, I kind of expect from MPS and Senators that are trying and candidates that are trying to get votes out of one nation being the biggest fish out of the minor parties I get that but some of the podcasters, me being one, I was like guys why are you just spurring this on, why are you going hard.
Senator ROBERTS: There are a lot of trollss in there working for the, we believe, the Libertarian Party and a couple of bots as well, just spurring it on. So a lot of it was was orchestrated. It was orchestrated and it was coordinated across several different parties.
Joel Jammal: Mmm. And again, guys for those people thinking this is a One Nation love fest, you know Malcolm knows –
Senator ROBERTS: You can be pretty blunt with me at times.
Joel Jammal: Yeah exactly and you know and everyone knows that you know that Turning Point Australia we don’t support you know just One Nation blindly across the board. It certainly has not been the case with the elections and all of, Craig Kelly, Gerard Rennick, a lot of these candidates that were alluding to they’re actually coming on to this podcast at some point as well before the election, because I’m trying to help the movement and that’s kind of the whole point about this thing but you asked this question and so –
Senator ROBERTS: And we’re happy to answer it.
Joel Jammal: So, I’m being honest you know.
Senator ROBERTS: We’re happy to answer it and would we do it again? Well Pauline will always be true to herself and I will always be true to myself. Now as I said, I was conflicted. On the one hand we had a couple of people saying you should oppose it. Yes, but that’s leaving people vulnerable people alone and isolated. We need to send them a signal so that’s why. So would we do it again? We probably would do it again because it was a right thing to do and one of Pauline’s staff came up to me, he’s a very sensible politically astute person and he said I am so proud to be in One Nation because you did stand by principle and that was wonderful. And the other thing is that not only was One Nation a short-term casualty, but the English language was a casualty because the dictionary meaning of abstain was completely thrown out the window. The word abstain suddenly meant support which is completely wrong. The dictionary meaning of abstain is to “hold oneself back voluntarily especially from something regarded as improper.” Hello!
Joel Jammal: Well they made it sound like you proposed the bill yourself Malcolm, that’s what they made it sound like.
Senator ROBERTS: And it was improper because I’ve voted due to the rushed vote and a guillotined debate and the second definition is to “refrain from casting one’s vote” and that’s what we did. We couldn’t support it. No way we could support it but we want to send a signal but the other thing that’s really important for us is that within about 2 weeks, we got the highest polling numbers we’ve ever got right. Within two weeks we got more volunteers signing up than we’ve ever had before. Within two weeks we got an increase in membership with the party and we got a lot of people starting to change and say oh we can see who the villains are here and it’s just so sad that people who I e had a lot of time for and I wouldn’t have thought would tell a lie, told a blatant lie and when I pointed it out to Gerard, he acknowledged it and then I said you need to retract it and he acknowledged that and left it up there. You know that’s inexcusable in my opinion.
Joel Jammal: Yeah well look, I think people that, generally people that are listening to this right now and getting you know this end to end answer will appreciate it and I think they’ll see it in the perspective of – you know I want to see these parties work together a lot more. I don’t want to see my mom and dad fighting per se in the parliament. You know, I want to see them getting on.
Senator ROBERTS: Yeah.
Joel Jammal: And that’s the truth. I think that is the truth of the punters that are out there that are watching politics and that are voting and that are volunteering for these different parties. They want to see more collaboration.
Senator ROBERTS: One of the things that’s left a bit of taste in my mouth, not about this, back three years ago was that I was one of the most vocal in the country and so was Topher Field. He was a bloody good but we said, let’s work together, Libertarians, United Australia Party, One Nation and other freedom parties – let’s work together. We had joint candidate forums in an electorate and in the Senate. We would have a candidate from each of those people conducting a forum together and it was on the basis that we would support each other. We would recommend the other minor parties, we’re going to recommend One Nation 1 and then UAP, Katter, Libertarians, 2 3 4 etc.
Joel Jammal: There was 10 of them I think in the last federal
Senator ROBERTS: So that’s what we said we would do and Clive Palmer came out and said put the majors last and we then started saying put the majors last, and so we were wondering what happened to Clive Palmer’s party up in Queensland, why their ‘how to vote’ cards weren’t out. And then the day of the prepoll, not – it didn’t come out the couple of days beforehand, it came out on the day of the prepoll – we found out why. Because it was 1 United Australia Party, 2 LNP.
Joel Jammal: Yeah.
Senator ROBERTS: So he completely sold us out.
Joel Jammal: Yeah that’s right.
Senator ROBERTS: So we can’t trust someone like that.
Joel Jammal: Yeah. Look I God, I was in America when I, I haven’t said a thing on the Trumpet of Patriots thing but I was in America when it came out, just landed, and I went and gave a speech at the America for Tax Reform. It was huge. Amazing, it was amazing. It was, like they had 50 different groups, each person was the head of a group and you go to this thing if you’re trying to pitch yourself or just introduce yourself and I’m like hi everyone, I’m Joel Jammal, head of Turning Point Australia. You know, I teach people who’s punching them, why they’re punching them and how they can punch back and I just gave my two minute speech and whatever. I get out after –
Senator ROBERTS: It would have gone down well. It would have gone down very well.
Joel Jammal: You know how I am Malcolm. You know how I am. I’m a very shy person.
Senator ROBERTS: They love, the Americans love that when someone stands up and they love it when someone stands up in a country like Australia that was perceived during COVID to be the worst country in the world.
Joel Jammal: Yeah. No, you’re absolutely right and you know they did ask about that. But I got off stage and you know, I said don’t be shy, come up to me and give me your business cards or whatever. A few of them came up to me and said what’s this about the Trumpet of Patriots. I mean why would they pick such a stupid name and I’m I just, and I think it was because they were trying to back like you know, be like have Trump in it or something. I think that’s what Clive Palmer remarked in the press conference you know. Trumpets of Patriots! And I don’t mean any offense to that new party or Suella who’s obviously the head of it with Clive but it’s silly, the whole thing is silly and the idea that you know, in the news it came out that they were going around basically offering different parties to buy the parties and apparently they offered One Nation $10 million but Pauline wasn’t for selling.
Senator ROBERTS: We are not for sale. That was made very very clear to Clive.
Joel Jammal: Yeah and that’s what’s bizarre and maybe I should ask you about this you know back in December and most people missed this story, but I saw that Clive registered and trademarked the name The Clive and Pauline Party, as well as The Teal Party and a few other things. How –
Senator ROBERTS: I think that was before he approached Pauline and James.
Joel Jammal: That was before.
Senator ROBERTS: I think so, but I don’t know.
Joel Jammal: Look the story came out on the 26th of December so I think it was, this story came out after but maybe they had the –
Senator ROBERTS: Someone’s been reading the patents, not the patents the registrations.
Joel Jammal: The registrations right and it was just bizarre that he would like The Clive and Pauline Party? I mean how can he trademark the Clive and Pauline Party without her permission. It just struck me as odd.
Senator ROBERTS: Well, it’s a crazy name. You know, could you imagine the Pauline and Clive Party? It just does not make sense.
Joel Jammal: No.
Senator ROBERTS: I mean, I’m not saying that they shouldn’t get together. I’m not saying that at all but having that as a as a party name?
Joel Jammal: Yeah well it’s like what do you stand for?
Senator ROBERTS: Exactly.
Joel Jammal: Clive and Pauline?
Senator ROBERTS: Exactly. So you know, One Nation is Pauline Hanson because she’s got the name and then one nation. Let’s face it Joel and you know this. She’s been around since 1996. Everyone has tried to have a go at her. The Liberals and Labor have tried to jail her. She has stood firm. She has stood in truth the whole time and she survived and they’ve done everything they can to her. They’ve called her a racist which is the worst thing you can call an Australian woman and that was done deliberately to shut down people talking about her and that worked for a while until people started to wake up in the last couple of years and she’s not at at all a racist. Asian people who’ve come here for the Australian culture and Aboriginals love our work so they think very highly of us. So she’s not at all a racist but what I’m saying is they’ve thrown everything at her and she’s still standing. She’s still got two senators.
Joel Jammal: Yeah.
Senator ROBERTS: Her candidates are the seventh, next in line, the seventh senator in every state except for Queensland where I came fourth, so we’re primed – with just a very small increase in votes to get another senator in every state and so I guess, and I don’t know what’s in their mind but if I was Libertarians, if I was another Freedom Party, I’d be trying to take votes off the Liberal Party because if you get 2% off the Liberal Party, that’s a lot more votes than getting 2% of us and and I’d be trying to work with One Nation because we are so close to getting you know five or so senators in the parliament which will give us the balance of power and the conservatives in Australia the balance of power. There’s no one else capable of doing that, no one. No one at all, not even close.
Joel Jammal: Yeah, everywhere you run you get 5% in your back pocket. That is just a matter of fact.
Senator ROBERTS: And look look at the quality of the people. Warwick in New South Wales, Warren Pickering in Victoria. Warren’s amazing, a veteran, really switched on, energetic. We’ve got Jennifer Game – don’t argue with her mate, she’ll clean you up even you.
Joel Jammal: Oh, I believe it.
Senator ROBERTS: She’s highly intelligent, and in Western Australia we’ve got Tyron and you know they’re really solid people.
Joel Jammal: Yeah, yeah.
Senator ROBERTS: So it just doesn’t make any sense. If you would want to destroy the party with the best chances of actually getting conservatives into the Senate, go ahead and destroy One Nation.
Joel Jammal: Yeah look I remember making this argument to the Victorians in their state election in 2022 – it’s hard to believe we’re coming up on another state election for them next year but I made the point to them I said guys there are nine Freedom parties for your state election and your freedom vote is about 11.6% so you need 14% to become a senator, that’s a full quota.
Senator ROBERTS: Yeah.
Joel Jammal: Maybe you need about 9 or 10% you know, kick it over a bit with preferences. There’s nine parties splitting that 11.6%
Senator ROBERTS: And as you pointed out, One Nation’s got a very solid bedrock of 5 to 8 and sometimes, probably in South Australia it’s around about 13% so nationally we got up to 9% so we’re at about 9% I think.
Joel Jammal: Yeah.
Senator ROBERTS: Which is a pretty damn solid base, foundation. No one can come close to that.
Joel Jammal: No, I totally agree.
Senator ROBERTS: So no wonder Clive wanted to try and buy us but Pauline has never been for sale, she never will be for sale. She’s that kind of woman. You know when she asked me to to stand beside her, she got wind in 2016 of me doing some work on opposing the climate fraud and she she said to me one day at a forum when I finished speaking she said will you come on the Senate ticket with me and I said well I’ll think about it, I’ll talk with my wife first. So I talked with my wife and she said yes and, it’s always good to have her onside, and then I said to Pauline – right my wife’s fine with it, she’s comfortable with it and Pauline said sign up and I said no no no no, now I talk with you. We went out there and she was thinking maybe a couple of hours. 11 and 1/2 hours later I left and I came away so thoroughly impressed and I’ve done a lot of recruiting, I’m not a not a sloppy recruiter, very impressed with her. There’s no way anyone could have pulled that thing together but the fact that here she was 20 years later in 2016 leading this party and putting her own money, I’m talking hundreds of thousands of dollars in bank loans into that and putting it all on the line, she’s just phenomenal. She has never ever told me a lie and neither has James Ashby, never, both of them together. If James was not honest Pauline would have got rid of him straight away but she’s had you know colorful people around her, some people who haven’t been worthy of the trust but she gets rid of them very quickly.
Joel Jammal: So Queensland, you know it’s alluded it’s a very hotly contested election in terms of the parties that are running and you know it’s a hot contest between yourself and Senator Gerard Rennick and I’m excited to see how the campaign unfolds with that, both being great incumbents that have both had a great voting record.
Senator ROBERTS: And there’s a chance that both of us can get in.
Joel Jammal: That’s right, that’s right.
Senator ROBERTS: Depending upon the liberal vote.
Joel Jammal: Absolutely and I pray that you do kick off that third Liberal that’s on the candidate, the candidate there. I pray that you guys do knock him off.
Senator ROBERTS: So I’m going to be parochial but I think also factual in saying putting me 1 and Gerard 2 is the best way to get us both in because I’ve got the solid base of One Nation behind me, Gerard and I have got a similar level of personal support, social media as well as just in general in the public, both recognised, so I think that so long as I get in first then our leftover votes, our preferences can, not our preferences but our voter’s preferences can go to Gerard and get him in, so that would be phenomenal, get us both back in.
Joel Jammal: So a few people have mentioned to me they’ve said all right, because whenever I, I ask a lot of people every time I come across a Queenslander I say okay, I’m putting a gun to your head figuratively you have to answer this question. I say this to every one of them and you can’t say no and they’re like okay just give me the question Joel, what is it? Gerard or Malcolm? And they’re like oh no and it’s a compliment I mean they love both of you, they love both of you, you know and that’s really good to see because you you both, as I said you both had a phenomenal voting record over the years that you’ve had respectively but you got to pick one and it’s pretty much dead even with the vote, with the two of you.
Senator ROBERTS: So the personal level is there for both of us, it’s similar and I’ve got the One Nation run underneath me.
Joel Jammal: Yeah, so now one of the big concerns though with some of the people that have said to me that they would prefer Rennick and I’ve asked the question, some of them have said to me I like Malcolm but I’m not sure that he wants to serve the full six-year term and I guess that’s my question to you. Is that something you know, are you going to serve the full 6 years or do you see yourself just serving half of it and passing it off to someone else in One Nation because this is a concern some people have. They want to know. Alright you know Malcolm is committing to this. I know Gerard’s going to do you know another term after this and he’s trying, he’s going you know, he’s saying a lot of things, he’s saying “I’m going to build the party, I’m going to democratize a party” and this and that, and again I’ll believe it when I see it because only the Libertarians –
Senator ROBERTS: No runs on the board. Libertarians haven’t done too much of that either.
Joel Jammal: Well they’re democratized.
Senator ROBERTS: Yeah they’re democratized.
Joel Jammal: And they’re setting up branches and the branches of voting rights and that that’s good to see, but I guess going back to the point is –
Senator ROBERTS: But some of their branches Joel are more akin to One Nation policies.
Joel Jammal: Yeah.
Senator ROBERTS: Immigration and so on, so they’re not a united party.
Joel Jammal: Yeah, but let’s go back to it, do you see yourself running –
Senator ROBERTS: Yes.
Joel Jammal: Full six years -100%
Senator ROBERTS: Yep
Joel Jammal: Right.
Senator ROBERTS: And the other thing is that I’ve come into politics in the Senate based upon my opposition to climate fraud and I’ve done a better job of researching that and the connections I’ve made. I knew, I won’t go into the details, but I knew three different topics about climate fraud before I got into the Senate and because I’ve been dealing with other MPS and Senators, I had a fair idea of what I’d find in the Senate. Well what I’ve done is I’ve confirmed those but I’ve also identified more of the climate fraud animal through the CSIRO, through the Bureau of Meteorology, through the way the agencies work and I’ve also become very very solid on COVID. okay the first three months we were everyone was saying just give the government a go because we all the videos and we had to look after the people of Australia first then we realized it was it was a con uh serious problems with it but what I’m what I’m about to say is that in the next term I don’t have any niceties about me. I don’t- I’ll still be treating people with respect I’ll still tell the truth but they can go to hell because we are after them in a big way I’ve said to my staff we’ve chased a lot of different um topics as part of our agenda supported a lot of people we will continue to do that but we are going to go Rogue on climate and COVID. We are going to tell the truth but we are going to go really really hard on that, we’re going to.
Joel Jammal: You alluded earlier that um you know some of these parties are adopting- the major parties specific adopting your policies
Senator ROBERTS: Sort of.
Joel Jammal: Sort of, alcohol for example.
Senator ROBERTS: Yeah, we’ve been given the pat on the back immigration, foreign ownership, but they’ve been committing to it in weasel words they’re not really committing to it but they know that our issues are top of the tree.
Joel Jammal: Right, so when um- so I saw Pauline came out with a video I think yesterday she was on her farm and she mentioned that uh Albanese has announced a freeze to the uh –
Senator ROBERTS: Yeah –
Joel Jammal: The alcohol excise?
Senator ROBERTS: After just raising it. It currently raises every 6 months.
Joel Jammal: Right, it’s insane. I think it’s like half of your drink uh alcoholic drink is like Government taxes or something crazy it’s insane. um so on um immigration I was listening to Pauline on a podcast uh where she was very- you know- I know I didn’t describe her as a- and we’ll wrap this up in a sec I know I didn’t describe –
Senator ROBERTS: I’ve got another podcast straight after this.
Joel Jammal: That’s right, I’ve got Steve Tripp, Steve’s a friend of the show he sent me the the link and yeah –
Senator ROBERTS: I need to be early for that as you know
Joel Jammal: No worries. um I guess my last question is you know I described Pauline earlier as no Rhodes um Scholar um but I listened to her on a podcast um previously um about immigration and her analysis of the statistics and the facts, which is brilliant, I mean the numbers and recalling the percentages of okay but how many are actually tradies that are coming in for example was blown away by and and if the fact that no one’s clipped that yet is beyond me I should I should probably clip it
Senator ROBERTS: 0.6% are tradies 99.4% are not tradies and they’re going to have 0.6% of the people building houses for the other 99.4%, absolutely lies.
Joel Jammal: Right, and how do we get that out more? because people still are saying “ah well Aussies they don’t want to do the jobs so we need immigrants to do the jobs”, but that’s not who’s coming in.
Senator ROBERTS: No, they’re unskilled people, you know One Nation- Pauline talked about immigration from the the start. um she talked about two things she talked about numbers and she talked about because- John Howard is the first person to- first Prime Minister to have brought in massive immigration he doubled it in his term and every prime minister since, pretty much, has increased it. Pauline talked not just about numbers Joel she talked about the quality of the people and that’s something we’ve been talking about, I’ve been talking about the numbers and the quality ‘cos’ both need to be spot on. We need to bring in people who will contribute not take away, contribute through hard work and be productive immediately uh not go welfare not come soak up our pensions, we need to put time limits on people so they need to be here 8-15 years before they can qualify for a pension for example. So these are the kinds of things because our country has been fooled by the Liberal and Labor Prime Ministers making it so easy to come in here get our benefits get our welfare; Medicare fraud PBS fraud people getting cheap Pharmaceuticals based upon taxpayer through the PBS shipping them overseas and selling them overseas. Medicare Medicare cards without photo ID so that- not digital ID photo ID- um so that so that we can protect against fraud we’re just getting extorted. We’ve got to be very very much stricter on who we let in the country, I mean letting people into the country after one- from Gaza, a known terrorist Hotspot with HAMAS, after 1 hour of vetting?! come on. Letting 750,000 people into the country in one year?! come on. Letting uh students come in here, bring their Partners in here, bring their families in here, working well above the hours uh and then exporting $11.1 billion per year back exporting it out of the country which is money gone from our country then we’ve got 75,000 illegals at least in here what the hell have Liberal and Labor been doing? only one nation talks about this! only one nation, it’s the quality and the quantity of people that we we need to challenge.
Joel Jammal: That’s completely mad. Malcolm, um I’m glad that we- this- we’re about to cut this short now um because um I’m still feeling a bit under the weather since I got back but I want to thank you for making the time to come on here and um I appreciate that we’ve gone through that question at the with regards to the –
Senator ROBERTS: I’m not going to abstain from the question
Joel Jammal: no, not at all not at all, and that’s what I love about politics um and podcasts um I’m glad we addressed that hate um not hate speech bill but the hate the hate –
Senator ROBERTS: “Hate Crimes” Bill
Joel Jammal: Hate Crimes Bill thank you, I got to fix it myself that’s right um because I think a lot of people did have the concerns around that and it means that we don’t have to deal with that again people can watch it and it’s done
Senator ROBERTS: Well you know if I’d seen the lies that were told about us blatantly I would have had very big concerns about us but having been in the discussion with Pauline about what signals sent I am completely happy with we did
Joel Jammal: Sure, and that’s why we got to- we have to not leave it to um Liberal and Labor we need to work together to get these parties to combine their efforts combine their votes everyone that left a like even now a comment saying “Malcolm’s full of crap!” no worries, no worries, or you know maybe you don’t like what Rennick did it’s like “yeah that Renick’s he shouldn’t have gone after Malcolm in this way!” great go to both of their websites whoever, whichever one you like go volunteer get off your asses and hand out some ‘how-to-vote cards’ at the election and build the pie, build the freedom vote, do what the Yanks did, if you want- if you like what you’re seeing every day in your TV where Trump’s going after Zelensky you want that sort of thing in Australia, get off your asses and make it happen because no one’s coming to save you all right and that’s what I have to say to people that’s the truth of it and that’s why I don’t have time for um you know these sort of childish- I’m meant to be the child of the movement –
Senator ROBERTS: You’re the mature one, the sage.
Joel Jammal: It’s like ever since I left school I’ve just been like okay I’m excited to join the world of the adults and I’m still looking or the adults, I haven’t yet found them –
Senator ROBERTS: Well don’t go to Canberra
Joel Jammal: No, and don’t go to America ‘cos’ you know they’re great but they’re still not- they’re still kids. um but anyway Malcolm, thank you so much I’m looking forward to having you back on very soon so we can get a bit more into the policy because I know that is actually where your strength is and I’m itching to you know go even more into the migration data –
Senator ROBERTS: I would love- look I’ll come down especially for that it would be love to do that long as we can have a really good Go at ’em because there’s nothing like the policies in this country, my team did most of the work for it and the analysis, every one of them costed uh properly uh Pauline came in and some of her stuff added to it, it’s a real solid team effort. I am extremely proud of one policies for this election campaign there’s no nowhere that I’ve seen any party anywhere and I’ve been around a few years now that’s come even close to what we’re doing.
Joel Jammal: yeah, no absolutely –
Senator ROBERTS: And I they came from listening to you.
Joel Jammal: Yeah, and it was brilliant that podcast she did with those with those gentlemen where they put it into an app and an AI and the AI generated a podcast of the entire One Nation policy I thought that was just brilliant.
Senator ROBERTS: I didn’t even know about that
Joel Jammal: Yeah, this is what was amazing about that podcast and uh- she rocks up they’re like “yep, if you want to go to the website we’ve designed this whole website it’s got all of One nation’s policies on there. We even went and made a podcast, it generated a podcast, where two people they literally go through the entire One Nation policies it was talk about value rocking up- I’m sorry Malcolm like you’ve rocked up here, all I’ve got this is this bubble ahead for one of your staffers
Senator ROBERTS: That’s not even for me –
Joel Jammal: It’s not even for you like, here I am trying to give you value and that’s what they’ve gone and done
Senator ROBERTS: You just keep speaking up mate that’s the best way you can give value to to me, to the country, that’s it just keep going
Joel Jammal: No look my pleasure, and so look thank you for showing up and uh ladies and gentlemen there is a debate in Queensland uh virtually online uh between Malcolm, uh Gerard Rennick, uh a Greens candidate, and one other candidate
Senator ROBERTS: Legalise Cannabis –
Joel Jammal: Legalise Cannabis, and uh that’s that’s certainly one to watch.
Senator ROBERTS: Is it Greens or Libertarians? I think it’s Libertarians –
Joel Jammal: It’s Libertarians, ok maybe it’s Libertarians –
Senator ROBERTS: I don’t think a Green would be in front of a debate with me –
Joel Jammal: No –
Senator ROBERTS: I don’t think a Labor party (candidate) would either.
Joel Jammal: I think they’re shy, I mean in Victoria uh Warren Pickering he’s got a debate the Socialist, I mean the Socialist uh Alliance guy is debating so that’s going to be interesting –
Senator ROBERTS: I’ve challenged Larissa Waters, the head of the Greens party in Queensland, to debate three times and repeated the third time constantly in the Senate, no show. She’s even said publicly to me in front of an audience she will not debate me. Anyway.
Joel Jammal: So look 6News is doing that we we’re going to be streaming that so that it gets out to everyone so I want to thank Leo from 6News but Malcolm, without further Ado, thank you very much ladies and gentlemen if you enjoyed this podcast please go to uh subscribe in the description on uh on ‘Buy me a coffee’ to support the show thank you so much for listening uh Malcolm did you have any any other final –
Senator ROBERTS: No, just thank you for what you’re doing keep speaking up freely and independently, we need the truth.
Joel Jammal: Very good thank you guys, I’ll see you guys later, have a good one.
https://i0.wp.com/www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/The-Ark.jpg?fit=1389%2C781&ssl=17811389Senator Malcolm Robertshttps://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/One-Nation-Logo1-300x150.pngSenator Malcolm Roberts2025-04-10 11:49:542025-04-10 20:11:25Podcast: The Ark with Joel Jammal
It’s time to take back control of our borders, protect Australian jobs, and ensure a future where Australians come first.
One Nation will:
🔸 Deport 75,000 illegal migrants – those that have overstayed their visas, illegal workers and unlawful non-residents that undermine national security, drive down wages, and take advantage of public services meant for Australians.
🔸 Make migration net negative, which means more leave Australia than arrive – and the population decreases.
🔸 Stop the skilled visa rorting that allows cheap foreign labour to undercut Australian workers.
🔸 End the student visa loopholes that turn study into a backdoor to permanent residency or low-wage labour.
🔸 Stop the Administrative Review Tribunal being abused with endless, weaponised appeals that clog the system and delay rightful deportations. Immigration enforcement must not be held hostage by legal loopholes.
🔸 Reintroduce Temporary Protection Visas a proven, effective policy that prevents permanent residency through the back door and deters illegal arrivals.
🔸 Deport any visa holder who breaks the law. Weak law enforcement policies have put Australians in danger for too long. If you commit a crime, you lose your visa and the right to stay.
🔸 Introduce an eight-year waiting period for citizenship and welfare, ensuring new arrivals contribute before they take.
🔸 Refuse entry to migrants from nations known to foster extremist ideologies that are incompatible with Australian values and way of life.
🔸 Withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention. because Australia will not be dictated to by foreign organisations when deciding who we accept into our nation on humanitarian grounds.
One Nation has a plan to put serious money back in your pocket with big ideas and genuine reform that our children’s children will benefit from.
Australia needs meaningful vision, not election campaign bribes.
Media Release
While the Budget’s $5 a week tax cuts will be ‘dead on arrival’ due to inflation, the Senate will tonight vote on meaningful reform to eliminate bracket creep and provide real relief.
Inflation and bracket creep will outstrip the tax changes leaving Australians worse off and paying more tax for decades unless a One Nation sponsored amendment to index thresholds is supported in the Senate. Senator Roberts said:
‘Australians and especially young people have been screwed on tax and the latest changes are already dead on arrival.
‘A cup of coffee will be $7 by the time the $5 tax cuts arrive. Bracket creep means Australians will be paying tens of billions more in tax.
‘Unless bracket creep is eliminated the typical full-time worker will be pushed into paying the second highest tax rate at 37 cents a dollar within two terms.
‘Bracket creep is the government’s dirty little secret. Inflation means Labor will quietly pocket tens of billions of dollars in extra taxes.
‘Due to inflation wages increase and Australians move into higher tax brackets while only being able to buy the same things yet pay a higher tax rate.
‘Australians don’t deserve to pay for inflation twice and the budget shouldn’t benefit from inflation.’
One Nation will move a Senate amendment to the Treasury Laws Amendment (More Cost of Living Relief) Bill 2025 scheduled for a vote on Wednesday night.
https://i0.wp.com/www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Budget.jpg?fit=702%2C390&ssl=1390702Senator Malcolm Robertshttps://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/One-Nation-Logo1-300x150.pngSenator Malcolm Roberts2025-03-26 19:02:082025-03-26 19:02:16$5 Tax Cuts Dead on Arrival Thanks to Inflation
Assistant Trade Minister Tim Ayres has been caught in a heated stoush with Sky News host Laura Jayes over the ongoing national energy debate.
Despite having been in power for the past three years, the Albanese government refuses to discuss its renewable energy plans.
Instead the government is insistent on just tackling Opposition Leader Peter Dutton’s nuclear proposal, running a “scare campaign” against the proven clean source of power.
Minister Ayres repeatedly refused to discuss the cost of the Albanese government’s energy plans during an interview with Sky News on Monday. Asked by Laura Jayes if he could tell voters the total system costs of Labor’s energy plans, Minister Ayres did not give an answer. “I’m very glad you raised it. You don’t make electricity prices and energy prices lower for Australian industry and households by making them higher,” Minister Ayres said.
Laura pressed Minister Ayres on the fact his government had failed to bring down energy prices by $275 per year as promised at the last election – “Here we are three years later, and you still can’t have any upfront conversation with any minister in your government about why that has happened,” she said. Rather than respond to the criticism or discuss any of the government’s energy plans heading into the upcoming election, Minister Ayres changed the subject. “Peter Dutton’s nuclear reactor plan will make electricity $1,200 more expensive from day one,” he said.
The @SkyNewsAust host said it was “pretty telling” that when she attempted to discuss Labor’s energy plans, all Mr Ayres wanted to do was talk about the opposition. “This is what really annoys people though,” she said. “That (voters are) told that the other guys – who haven’t been in power for three years – it’s all their fault and you’re not willing to take any responsibility.”
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has still failed to address the fact his government failed to deliver on its promise to reduce power bills by $275.
While he has blamed international pressures, such as the Ukraine War, the election promise was repeated even after Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022.
Mr Ayres told Laura Jayes to “focus on the facts” after she raised the $275 promise. “I am focussed on the facts. Where’s the $275?” she responded. But the Labor minister again pivoted back to the opposition. “Every day that we’re about to have a hot day. Peter Dutton and poor old Angus Taylor and Ted O’Brien … are out there predicting that the power is going to go off,” he said. “And it doesn’t go off.”
The NSW government was forced to ask residents to reduce their power usage during a mild heatwave in November 2024.
The Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) struggled to avoid blackouts and requested factories shut down to reduce power demands.
AEMO was forced to issue a “lack of reserve” notice due to insufficient power supply, exacerbated by breakdowns in several coal-fired plants.
Minister Ayres claimed the blackouts were “inevitably” because of storm damage or coal plant failures but not because of renewables.
During the recent heatwave, renewables were unable to back up the coal-fired plant breakdowns because solar production came off at 3 pm when people return home to use energy at home.
https://img.youtube.com/vi/tKObksunXx4/maxresdefault.jpg7201280Senator Malcolm Robertshttps://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/One-Nation-Logo1-300x150.pngSenator Malcolm Roberts2025-02-06 14:19:002025-02-06 15:43:50Labor Pressed on Cost of Renewables Plan
I’ve got a very simple goal – make it as cheap as possible to turn the lights on. Peter Dutton and Anthony Albanese say we should comply with the Paris Agreement instead.
You can only trust One Nation to put Australia and your power bills first.
